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Making Sense of Miracles

December 19, 2011 by Bo Sanders 27 Comments

In his book Process Theology: a basic introduction , C. Robert Mesle says:

“the miracle of birth” is a wise phrase, pointing us toward a healthy theology of miracles. Birth is not supernatural. It involves no intervention violating natural processes. We know a tremendous amount about reproduction and may one day be able to create life in laboratories. Yet for all that, we still feel, and speak of, the miracle of birth…

Miracles become problems when we think of them as demonstrating divine power to intervene in the world however God wishes. The problems are not merely scientific, but also theological and moral. Nothing challenges the goodness of God or the justice of the universe more than the stark randomness of such alleged “miracles”.

That is an interesting way to think about the subject, but I want to make an important distinction between supernatural and miraculous.  The Miraculous can be seen several ways – as something that surprises us, outside our expectations; as something that is amazing; like the miracle of birth, something that is statistically improbable , like landing a Airplane on the Hudson River; or religiously as something that only divine help could account for. There are several reasons why I think that this topic is SO important:

I can not tell you how often someone says something about how God directed them to take a specific road or a route that avoided an accident.

  • Did god tell everyone and they just were not listening?
  • Did god only tell those whom love god?
  • Does god monitor all traffic patters and why would god be so concerned with getting you  home on time but so unconcerned with children being abused and people going hungry?

People often get defensive and say “In a worship service I saw/experienced  _____. Are you trying to tell me that did not happen?”  No. I absolutely believe you that it happened. What I am saying is that maybe the explanation provided in the worship service was not the whole story of why the phenomenon happened (people being slain in the spirit, etc).

I want to be clear about something: I believe in prophetic words. I have told people things that I could not have known in my own power – including twice that I have described pictures that hang in their homes, homes that I had never been to.

I absolutely believe that the Lord could ‘lead’ you to call someone who needs a call ‘at that exact moment”.

So keep that in mind when I say that we need to revisit our frameworks around the miraculous and we definitely need to abandon the whole ‘super’ natural worldview. It does not hold together under even the slightest examination in the 21st century.

I have seen people who were headed toward knee surgery, back surgery, chemo therapy and legal blindness avoid those outcomes miraculously – and I think that prayer  had something to do with that. When we are open (mind and spirit) to the presence of a greater possibility – it makes sense that the cells in our body would have a receptivity to those functions and processes that bring health and life. If we believe that there is a God, and that this God has something to do with creating our bodies, and this God’s spirit  is present in the world, then it makes sense that our bodies created by this God would response to an openness to the presence of this God.  That is why I can believe in and pray for healing. But it is not supernatural – it is the most natural thing in the world.  

 So let me put forward a simple proposal: Holy Spirit presence in the world makes God’s power both transcendent (a different conversation) and immanent. God is present with us and at work among us.* If I am talking to someone and this Spirit is at work in both of us , then naturally if I am open and receptive, then it is possible that God would lead me in that conversation. It might take the form of questions or suggestions – but I would go as far as to suggest that maybe the Lord is not absent from any conversation.

This would impact things like prayer for sickness and an openness for healing and restoration. For Christ’s followers, the miraculous is a natural part of the world. We have errored greatly to conceded the ‘normal’ to nature and a scientific explanation and then superstitiously hang on to everything else and blindly cling to it as ‘super’natural. As the kids say “Epic Fail”

Just don’t talk to me about why hurricanes hit certain cities (weather patters are not changed because one super-holy pastor had a lot of faith). And don’t tell me that tornados or earthquakes hit certain towns because of certain sins. Or the President W or X is being corrupted by demon Z. That is all ridiculous. 

Rejecting the ‘super’natural but holding onto the miraculous allows us to update in accordance with our contemporary collected knowledge while holding open the possibility that, as people of faith, there is more going on in the world than just what we can see. It allows us to be rid of superstition and untenable contradictions while providing a platform for amazing things to happen in the world.

We have to let go of the ‘super’ natural and all its inherent baggage in order to preserve the potential of the miraculous in the world.  The bottom line is that there is no such thing as the supernatural – but the Christian story is a miraculous one. It is foolish to continue to concede the language to a supernatural interpretation and attempted explanations.

 

 

* p. 117 in chapter entitled ‘Miracles’.

** (IF you are interested in my take on Elizabeth Johnson’s trinity challenge of “God beyond us, God within us, and God around us”  you can listen to my sermon on the subject here.)

 

I will be leading a breakout session at the 2012 Emergent Village Theological Conversation called “Pentecost for Process”  - sign up and join the conversation!

Filed Under: bible stuff, engaging, latest, prayer, thinking Tagged With: Bible, book, books, Elizabeth Johnson, God, healing, Holy Spirit, jesus, miracle, Pentecost, power, prayer, Process, Robert Mesle, trinity

The Big Theological Throw Down with John Cobb & Paul Capetz: Homebrewed Christianity 101

May 9, 2011 by Tripp Fuller 7 Comments

With this mind blowing episode the Homebrewed Christianity Podcast crosses into the second 100 episodes!!  Chad and I are thrilled to still be trying out this audiological and theological adventure with all y’all Deacons!  Going forward we would really like to know more about who you want on (and back on), topics or themes to cover, and some smack talk on the HBC call-in line 678-590-BREW!

It is not on accident that our corner turning podcast features not one…..but two amazing theologians.  John Cobb, the living legend of Process Theology, is joined by my favorite Calvinist Paul Capetz.  Both John and Paul have been on the podcast before but this conversation transcends the possibilities available to any one guest! In this episode we will discuss…

- Religious Pluralism

- The importance of the Incarnation

- Question the necessity of the Trinity

- Discuss fall of the Mainline Churches

- Liberalism? Progressive?

- The Mission of the Church Today

Check out John Cobb’s monthly FAQ about Process Theology if you want to know more. You can even submit a question!

The Big Theological Throw Down with John Cobb & Paul Capetz: Homebrewed Christianity 101 [ 1:13:45 ] Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
Filed Under: features, podcast Tagged With: christology, church, incarnation, john cobb, liberalism, Paul Capetz, pluralism, progressive, trinity

Christology Spittin’ Podcast Extravaganza! Homebrewed Christianity 97

April 14, 2011 by Tripp Fuller 1 Comment

In this podcast BoDaddy will say “I love the perichoresis. I mean it gets me out of bed in the morning” and Tripp will say about Kathryn Tanner’s atonement theory, “That is awesome! I mean theologically that is sexy.  You could preach that all day!”

We love getting our Christology on at Homebrewed Christianity…(that means we really enjoy podcasts around Christology)…and if you do too then get ready for a Chistology Spittin’ Extravaganza!! This episode is testing a new little HBC format where Tripp & BoDaddy have a good’le hootenanny around a recent podcast series.  There is some discussing, responding, extending, connecting, and well going off in other random directions BUT it’s all about Christology.

In the past couple months we have pleasured your theological imagination with Kathryn Tanner, Douglas Ottati, Andrew Sung Park, Elizabeth Johnson, Roger Haight, and Jospeh Bracken.  This series was absolute gold for the theological nerd on your inside and we are very grateful that these top tier thinkers joined us.  Hopefully those Deacons who had some lingering questions from the series or have wanted to know what was going on in Tripp’s head will benefit from this podcast.

DO let us know what you think of this new format.  At least Bo and I had fun!

Christology Spittin' Podcast Extravaganza! Homebrewed Christianity 97 [ 1:11:03 ] Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
Filed Under: podcast Tagged With: christology, jesus, trinity

God, Part 1

February 22, 2009 by Chad Crawford 1 Comment

9780814659908For the Transforming Theology Theo-Blogger Consortium, I’ve been given the privilege of reading Joseph A. Bracken’s God: Three Who Are One, part of the Engaging Theology series from Liturgical Press.

Bracken invites readers to explore the relevance of the doctrine of God for dialogue between Christian men and women, between Christianity and other religions, and between religion and science.

In a recent post on the Transforming Theology blog, he points out the necessity of a dialectic relationship between systematic theology and spirituality. This book represents this approach put into practice.

I’ll be reviewing God in nine short posts, one for each chapter. The book is divided into two parts: the first four chapters take us through the development of trinitarian doctrine, and the last five engage recent critical perspectives. Chapter 1 surveys the first four centuries of trinitarian thought. Origen, Tertullian, Arius, and the Council of Nicaea demonstrate the tension already in place between subordinationism (and implicit tritheism) and modalism/adoptionism.

The real strength of this book comes at the end of each chapter when Bracken offers reflections on how these matters are relevant for contemporary Christians. He points out how important these debates on the trinity were for early Christians, and not just for theologians.

Whether in cafes over something to drink or at the marketplace in search of food for dinner, Christians got into heated arguments over theological issues.

By contrast, today’s ‘people in the pews’ largely ignore the theological issues related to the Three Who Are One. How do we give them permission to care? How do we get our Christian friends out of the pews and into pubs to engage in lively discussions about how the doctrine of the trinity relates to our spiritual formation?

Filed Under: thinking Tagged With: Joseph Bracken, process theology, transforming theology, trinity

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