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Religion in America: June 2013

June 4, 2013 by Bo Sanders 11 Comments

Last week 3 interesting items came across my radar screen.

  1. A new CNN poll entitled “America losing its religion”
  2. A NYTimes op-ed called “Belief Is the Least Part of Faith” by an author who specializes on Evangelicals.
  3. A God Complex Radio interview with Cameron Trimble on the Future of Church Renewal.

Each of these three caught my attention for a different reason. I want to try to connect them here and then listen to what you have to say.

In the CNN poll, it turns out that:

“More than three in four of Americans say religion is losing its influence in the United States, according to a new survey, the highest such percentage in more than 40 years.”  One-Room Schoolhouse

There are two interesting parts to that opening sentence. The first is that it is only people ‘saying it’. It doesn’t meant that religion IS losing it’s influence – only that it feels that way to 3/4 of those surveyed. The second point is that 40 years ago it felt much that same way.

The article points out two other times in recent history that the percentage was very similar. Those periods were 1969-1970 and then again in 1991-1994.

 

In the NY Times op-ed piece, T. M. Luhrmann, attempts to clarify a common misconception by those who do not go to church about why people go to church. She is arguing that it is not because of belief – but rather that belief comes from action (going to church/living out your faith) for those who go to church.

As interesting as her stories and finding were, the part that really caught my attention (as one who comes from an Evangelical perspective) is that :

If you can sidestep the problem of belief — and the related politics, which can be so distracting — it is easier to see that the evangelical view of the world is full of joy. God is good. The world is good. Things will be good, even if they don’t seem good now. That’s what draws people to church. It is understandably hard for secular observers to sidestep the problem of belief. But it is worth appreciating that in belief is the reach for joy, and the reason many people go to church in the first place.

 

In the God Complex Radio interview with Rev. Cameron Trimble was great. She is the director of the center for progressive renewal and Derek asked her about the future of the church. She had fantastic answer that are best days are not behind us. This piqued my interest because of the CNN poll.

When I think about these three items together, I come to two conclusions:

A) IF the churches best days are not behind us, then WHAT the church is in the future will be very different – almost unrecognizable – from what we have been used to for the past couple of centuries.

B) The way that we engage media, use technology, train future leaders and use resources – especially buildings – is so important because of the reason that Luhrmann said in the NY Times piece that people are even going to church. Trimble also points out in the interview that the reason people even go to church at all has changed in the last 50 years.

 

I would love to hear your thoughts on these trends and ideas. 

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CultureCast Goes Commando: A Stupid Test on Religion, Game of Thrones, Road Rage and The Beatles

April 9, 2013 by Deacon Jordan 2 Comments

CultureCast2We didn’t have a guest this week, so we decided to take a Pew poll on religion. We got all of the questions right! And by “we”, I mean “me”, because Amy and Christian got one wrong. The poll itself shouldn’t be too difficult for listeners, but the statistics afterward about how various faith groups scored definitely is astonishing.

In the Echo Chamber, we talk primarily about Game of Thrones but also about 20 other shows that we’re into including (but not limited to) Amish Mafia, Downton Abbey, Billy On The Street, Homeland, Shameless, Duck Dynasty and Justified. Between the three of us, we watch far too much TV.

Later, Christian recommends More or Less: Choosing a Lifestyle of Excessive Generosity by Jeff Shinaberger, which is about simplifying life and reorienting our consumptive life. Then Amy calls out Christian for his “agro-driving”, and I was torn because I’m prone to road rage, but Christian DID tailgate a student driver. Then Amy convinces me to convert to their church because their sermons are only 10 minutes long, which is probably as close to heaven as you can get in church. Also, we talk about our favorite albums, Beatles and otherwise.

Thanks for humoring us. Back with guests next week!

 

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Living Out Faith Loud (Day 15)

March 7, 2013 by Bo Sanders 12 Comments

I’m blogging my way through Neighbors and Wisemen for Lent. Today we read chpt. 15 where the author tells us a story about Dr. John Perkins’ visit to a packed Reed College auditorium.Neighbors & Wisemen

For those of you who don’t have the book, here are some selections from the chapter to get you up to speed.

With his simple Southern accent, he set the stage of racial and economic injustice in America. He began with his childhood and walked the room through the essential and painful drama of the 1960s. He unapologetically insisted that the disparities of race and class remain today.

From there Dr. Perkins moved to his own thoughts on the very real plight of America’s disenfranchised and marginalized communities. He expressed how these populations have been systematically removed from the national consciousness, and affirmed the absolute need for a new generation, one fueled by compassion and a sacrificial life.

Tony was shocked at the amazing reception Dr. Perkins got from a student body that allegedly not only had no interest in Christianity but a real and serious dislike of all things Christian. Then he says:

“Reedies want the same thing that Jesus wants. They want authenticity, not hypocrisy. They want faith that leads to activism, not institutionalism. They want to believe in something not because it is redundantly preached but because it is sacrificially lived.”

Yesterday I mentioned Christianity’s territorial participation in the Culture Wars that developed in the 20th century. Whether you think I was too partisan or pessimistic in my assessment of the situation, what you can not get around is that there is a problem.

We have a problem. 

More specifically, we have a problem with how we frame the cultural conflicts. When we use the militaristic language of “combat” we miss what may be really going on. As I said earlier this week, our language about combat not only  influences how we interpret our experiences, it is actually creating those experiences at some level.

I’m going to say this again: while I do not like drawing lines and attempt to be generously orthodox, it seems to me that there is a kind of christianity that the world is fine to let us hold and actually finds quite intriguing.  Dr. Perkins has that kind of faith. He even gets to use Jesus’ name without folks getting offended or upset.

 

There is however another type of Christianity that is not as well received. This other kind of Christianity, in many ways, is seen to make the world a worse place. I think that I know at least part of why that is the case.

Modern Enlightenment Christianity – an inheritance from Christendom and the Inquisitions – seeks to categorize, compartmentalize, then control the categories. It is forceful, muscular Christianity. Much more like the Romans in power than the type of power we see Jesus utilizing.

Think that I am over stating it? Look at Dr. Perkins. What if it came out that he did not have perfect theology? What if he held some views about social issues that did not meet the litmus test contemporary clashes? Would he be discounted? Marginalized? Attacked and discredited? I don’t think that there is any doubt.

Part of this comes from our categorization of ortho-doxy and ortho-praxy. We live in a climate when the former (right-belief) is far more scrutinized than the latter (right-action). Ortho explanation

The seminary that Tony and I went to tries to correct this by adding another overlapping area called ortho-pathy (right feeling). This is a spiritual formation-discipleship emphasis.

That is a move in the right direction. What I fear is that we have become so ingrained with this rabid obsession with our form of orthodoxy that we not only neglect the other two but would discount someone like Dr. Perkins who’s life speaks so loudly about Jesus that his words do not have to.

Our contemporary spiritual climate is so inflamed with animosity, conscientiousness, adversarial approaches, combative critiques, and dismissive polemics that we become gun-shy about adopting the kind of faith that makes the world a better place and shines a welcome light in dark situations.

If you think that this world is full of spiritual poo and it is only a matter of time before Jesus steps back in with vengeance and flushes this world down the eternal drain … then any good we do now is no more than rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

In that case the only thing that really matters is right belief (orthodoxy) for which we will be judged …

Well, you know the rest. The us-them mentality becomes completely acceptable. The neglect of right-living (orthopraxy) and right-being (orthopathy) becomes justifiable.

I would simply say that Jesus’ story of the sheep and the goats seems to put far more concern on being judged by our right actions than any theological litmus test. So not only does God seemed more concerned about it, but the world what God loves seems more attracted by it. 

I loved this story about John Perkins’ visit to the college. I am inspired at one level and completely discouraged at another.

Is it just me?
Am I overstating the scope of the problem? 

 

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Day 13: Poetic Language About God

March 5, 2013 by Bo Sanders 10 Comments

I am constantly struck by the complications of talking about God and faith. In this chapter Tony tells an amazing tale about coming to a realization about how he thinks about his faith.Neighbors & Wisemen

The words that we use are very powerful in forming our experience.

They not only help us interpret our religious experiences. They actual create those experiences at some level.

When Tony talks about his former view of faith, he uses phrases like:

“We must take the mountain, kill the giant, win the battle, defeat the enemy, fight for truth. This language had subtly convinced me that I was just a mercenary for God, nothing else.”

This language ends up failing him. It is one of those moments in life when you realize that the way you have conceptualized faith is no longer working for you.

There are just times when the framing story, the vocabulary or the metaphor fails you.

 

His friend asks him, “Was this something that came from God or was it you?” 

Tony answers “Well, no, God did not ask me to be a mercenary. That is just where I ended up, a hired gun in the army of God.”

This is a devastating admission. It’s not that God didn’t call him. It’s not that he didn’t do some good. It’s not that the experience was completely hollow or B.S.

It’s just that he had reached the end of his metaphor. 

 

Tony ends with a powerful re-frame of his approach:

“So, I decided to stay in the game. I tried to see each new opportunity through new eyes, free of violence, full of love. I looked for opportunities not to fight for God, but to walk with him. I began to believe that God was the one who was creatively tilling, planting, and harvesting all around me. The joy was to take his hand as he led me into his eternal play of love.

So, like a walk in the cool of the day, God led me to a new garden to explore.”

It is no mistake that Jesus used language about gardens, plants, birds, fields, and farms. Jesus just as easily could have talked about Roman wagons and battering rams. The thing is – that language matters.

When it comes to things of soul, language matters even more than usual. The way that conceptualize, frame and vocalize the

  • word pictures
  • metaphors
  • framing stories
  • analogies

truly impacts how we both interpret things that happen and participate in our community and journey.

 

I have never liked the military language about faith and life. I know that Paul used it. I just think that we have lost the irony of him using it since he was a part of the oppressed minority. Paul wasn’t armed.

Paul’s military analogies don’t sound the same after our Constantinian-Christendom-Crusade-Nationalist-Militaristic historic drift. 

 

It would benefit us greatly to migrate away from military language (even the metaphors in the New Testament) and get back to fields and farms, birds and flowers.

Of course, there is a danger in even that! Since not many of us are connected to our food sources – we are in danger of using allusions and word pictures that we have not connection to.

What are we left with then?  I would love it if we would humbly revisit and revise our religions language. The analogies we use, the word pictures and the metaphors are very powerful in not just how we interpret our experiences afterward but in how we participate with them in the moment.

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Day 12: The Voice of God in Others

March 4, 2013 by Bo Sanders 11 Comments

I have always been haunted by the insight that: Neighbors & Wisemen

“The voice of God is often found in the mouth of a friend”.

I need so much grace. I require so much help in the things of life. I need others … and I don’t always like that.

I am blogging my way through Neighbors and Wisemen for Lent. I was suddenly without a computer on my weekend retreat so I apologize for the delay on this post.  

Tony tells the story of a man who was very different from him in chapter 12. This many was from a different region of the country. He had a different skin color, had walked a different road, and lived a different life than Tony. He struggled with different things and experienced the world in a different way.

He, like the woman in the previous chapter, had something to teach Tony. These things are often hard to hear and even tougher to receive. There is often a translation that is needed.

Too often the burden of translation falls to the one doing the speaking. The responsibility to ‘say it in a way the other person can hear’.  I get the most of the time.

There are other times, however, when the energy of translating falls to the one who needs to hear so badly.

The problem is that we often don’t recognize that it is us who are in such a need. It is a deadly little dance of dullness and deafness.

This past weekend I was spending time with a church community who is not from my area. They are not of my same tradition. They are a diverse community – economically, educationally, and generationally.

How do we hear from people who are a different age, color, and tradition than us?

Why is it so hard to listen and receive from those whose experience is so different from yours? When there is a gap in age, experience, education, economics, and so many other variables … why is that so hard to bridge sometimes?

Why is it so difficult to bridge that gap and  to hear the word of the Lord in the mouth of someone else … especially when we need it so badly?

I would love to hear your thoughts. 

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The New Materialism with Jeffrey Robbins

February 19, 2013 by Bo Sanders 9 Comments

Brace yourself!    Jeffrey Robbins is all about the New Materialism and he is going to knock your socks off! ContentImage-63-220729-ContentImage63163974CrockettRobbins2

Tripp gets to chat with the co-author of the book “Religion, Politics and the Earth“ (along with pod favorite Clayton Crockett) that is making its way around the inter-webs in preparation for the Subverting the Norm Conference – April 5 & 6 in Springfield, Missouri.

We will be linking here to all of the posts from the New Materialism blog-tour.

 

This episode is sponsored by the Subverting the Norm Conference 2 in Springfield Missouri April 5th and 6th. Thanks to both Drury University and Phillips Theological Seminary for sponsoring the conference and making it the most affordable two-day event of the year.

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Doug Pagitt Radio: what is happening IN religion

January 31, 2013 by Bo Sanders Leave a Comment

I had the honor to be on Doug Pagitt Radio this morning. It was a great conversation with Doug and Victoria that centered about what is happening in religion.Web_Logo_lrg_wTagBubble

You can read the initial blog about religionand postmodern thought here.

Doug has the video on his website and on Itunes.

Here the video of the first segment. Here is the video of the second.

 

Doug has been on Homebrewed several times. Once talking about his books in the Inventive Age, and once chatting with Tripp about politics (in a post-debate debrief).

Check out Doug’s book on Amazon.

 

Most the conversation centered around my proposal that there are at least 5 things happening in religion:

  • Experience
  • Formation
  • Event
  • Mystery
  • Potentially Something Real

I would love to get your feedback on the interview. Brew on!   -Bo   [you can keep up with all my past posts on this page]

 

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TNT: Bible Bash with Brueggemann and Fretheim

January 30, 2013 by Bo Sanders Leave a Comment

Bo and Tripp riff off of Terence Fretheim and Walter Brueggemann answering the same set of questions. These two legends of Biblical Theology give us their best take on passages to preach when controversial subjects come up.  Topics include:TNT Version3

  • Economy
  • Ecology
  • Homosexuality
  • Immigration
  • Other Religions
  • Bible Stories for Kids

You can hear the original HomeBrewed interviews for Fretheim and Brueggemann at these links.
Remember: Easter comes early this year so Lent starts on February 13. Bo will be blogging through the book Neighbors and Wisemen every weekday through the Lenten Journey.  Come and join the conversation!

Sign up for the Subverting the Norm Conference 2 in Springfield Missouri April 5th and 6th. Thanks to both Drury University and Phillips Theological Seminary for sponsoring the conference and making it the most affordable two-day event of the year.

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W. Paul Young on the Creative Process, Theology, and Being One of the Highest-Selling Authors in History

December 27, 2012 by Deacon Jordan 3 Comments

This week’s episode was recorded in the youth group room at First Christian Church in downtown Portland. To start things off, Jordan talks about being the Marv Marinovich of comedy by relentlessly pushing his daughter to be funnier while Christian embraces the black magic that is naturopathic medicine.

This week’s guest is W. Paul Young, author of the wildly popular novel The Shack, which has sold 10 million copies to date. Paul talks about the creative process, about trusting God rather than trying to please, and the development of his latest book, Crossroads. Basically, it’s just an interesting conversation with a fascinating person who’s also incredibly gracious and humble.

In the Echo Chamber, it’s all about gun control. Christian and Jordan discuss how our spiritual beliefs and cultural biases impact our stance on gun control and violence. Since Christian’s a pacifist and Jordan’s a veteran who grew up around firearms, they bring some varied perspectives to the conversation. We hope you enjoyed your Christmas, and have a happy New Year!

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Of Course Jesus Was Born of A Virgin – it happened a lot back then

December 19, 2012 by Bo Sanders 65 Comments

As Christians we confess that Jesus was born to a virgin.  Some people doubt the accuracy of that – but they may not realize that it was not that uncommon back then.

Here are just 10 people born of a virgin in the ancient world: 

  • Buddha
  • Krishna – born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother.
  • Odysseus
  • Romulus
  • Dionysus*
  • Heracles – Son of a god (Zeus)
  • Glycon – son of the God Apollo
  • Zoroaster/Zarathustra
  • Attis of Phrygia
  • Horus

One theory is that when somebody who led a deeply impactful life died, those who wrote about them later would attempt to say something special about them. One of the ways that they could do that was to say something extraordinary about their birth. It was a way of that there was something significant, even about they way that they were conceived.

Sometimes it was that they were born to people that were really old (past the age of child-bearing age).

Think of Issac born to Abraham and Sarah in the Old Testament or John the Baptist born to Zechariah and Elizabeth in the New (Advent).

Now, If somebody wanted to take the origin of their hero up a notch, they could say that there was no human dad … it was a god!  (like Zeus)

This is why some think that Jesus’ autobiographers took it up even one more notch! Not only did a God not have sex with women … there was NO sex at all!

 Now some say “yeah, lots of people were said to be born of a virgin … but Jesus actually was.”

This is where the problem starts. As best as I can discern, there basically three ways to approach the problem: physics, meta-physics or linguistics. 

Physics:

Some people take an approach that is so certain that even science itself would be proved wrong. This usually comes up around issue like the Shroud of Turin (the cloths Jesus was buried in). I once heard a very confident person say that if we did DNA test on the blood on the shroud it would show that Jesus was fully human with 46 pairs of chromosomes – only instead of 23 from the female mother and 23 from the male father – Jesus would have 46 human ones from Mary.

I find this problematic for the same reason that I do not believe in the super-natural. It concedes the rules of the games to science (reductive naturalism) then tries to fill in the gaps with God.  That is a losing game-plan if ever I heard one.

Meta-Physics: 

Other people try to get around the whole reductive scientific debate by saying “Look, if God could make the world in 6 days out of nothing, then what is to make a virgin pregnant?  God does whatever God wants to do and who are we to question that?”

I am not a big fan of this approach either. It seems to say that revelation doesn’t have to report to reason and that God can not be evaluated on any reasonable standard conceived of by humans.

It seems just a short leap to say that God can elect who God wants for salvation God can pick favorites if that is what ‘He‘ wants to do.

It seems to retreat into the silo of ecclesiastic isolation and unaccountability. I think we have to look a little deeper ask some bigger questions.

 Linguistics:

This is an interesting approach that some in the post-liberal camp or comparable schools of thoughts might take.

The basic line is that it’s not the physics or meta-physics of the virgin birth that matters, its the way that it impacts up as people and forms us as a community. The importance of the language found in the gospels has to do with how it functions for us as a community and tradition.

Some folks don’t like this linguistic approach because it seems like theologically ‘thin soup’ to them. They look at the formulations in that are quantified in the early creeds and they make definite and literal assumptions about what is behind them.

I am however nervous that all of this controversy is simply because we don’t know how to read a gospel. It’s like when we get sucked into debates about talking snakes in the garden of Eden or trying to prove scientifically how a man like Jonah could stay alive in the belly of a whale for 3 days and not be eaten by the stomach acid (or something).

It would be the equivalent of people 1,000 years from now arguing that we actually thought there was a place called Mudville and that a man named Casey was literally up to to bat.  It is because we don’t know how to read the genre of literature.

Jesus was born of a virgin – we confess that by faith, it is affirmed in our ancient creeds and it functions in our community to form us as people.    

 

 

* I even found one internet source that claims Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

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