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		<title>Reflecting on the Resurrection part 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Resurrecting space for belief Easter is a big deal. Passages like Paul’s claim in 1 Corinthians 15:13-15 (NIV) tell us: 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More [...]]]></description>
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<div>Easter is a big deal. Passages like Paul’s claim in 1 Corinthians 15:13-15 (NIV) tell us:</div>
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<blockquote><p>13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.</p></blockquote>
<p>As I a pastor I looked forward to Easter so much. I knew, however, that we would have  visitors, family members, and friends who would come to our services out of relational obligation or for social interest in the event. I knew that some of these would not believe in the literalness of the resurrection of Jesus’ body. <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/FarmSilos.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8195" title="FarmSilos" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/FarmSilos-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" /></a></p>
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<div id="post-body-845240923284883618">I always had to think through how I was going to talk about this in a way that was both faithful in proclamation for us as a community of faith, while also attempting to be invitational and sensitive to potential objections or barriers from our guests.I have no interest in apologizing for what we believe as a faith community. But neither do I want to dogmatically push an ancient worldview that may, to the listener, be suspicious at best and incompatible at worst.</div>
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<div>In light of the conversation that we have been having with<a title="LIVE &amp; STREAMED SHOW: Partying about the Predicament!" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/12/live-streamed-show-partying-about-the-predicament/" target="_blank"> Philip Clayton</a> [around his <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">new book</a>] and my articulation between<a title="Making Sense of Miracles" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/12/19/making-sense-of-miracles/" target="_blank"> the miraculous and the &#8216;super&#8217;natural</a>-  the resurrection takes on an interesting twist.</div>
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<p><strong>Here is the thing:</strong> as in so many aspects of our modern life, we exist in a world dominated by dualism and presentation designed for polarity.  The resurrection is no different. The two options seems to be:</p>
<p><strong>A)</strong> it happened literally just like the Gospel accounts portray<br />
<strong>B)</strong> the laws of physics can not be broken by even God and so the Gospel accounts are literary creations designed to portray theological themes.</p>
<p>I get both of those perspectives. I myself have no problem with the bodily resurrection as a miraculous event that carries deep theological implications (like prolepsis, ontological priority of the future, etc.)</p>
<p>But &#8230; in the same way that Jesus’ walking on water is not the POINT of that story. The point was to hear the word of Christ “be not afraid” . It was not simply to understand the physics of how Jesus might have walked on the water or to add it to a checklist of things you must believe even if you don’t understand them.</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>This is where Clayton&#8217;s idea is so powerful. </strong></span></p>
<p>In  Acts 9, Paul experienced Jesus post-ascension and he was also powerfully changed. It was that same guy (now named Paul) who penned the words that I quoted earlier (1 Cor. 15) .  But Paul did not encounter the biological body of Christ. He experienced something we can call the ‘real presence’ of Christ.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Various options are open to those who accept this hypothesis, which we might call the personal but nonphysical theory of Jesus’ post-mortem presents. There can be no talk of proof here, but there may be ways of showing that, at least in principle, a real albeit nonphysical presence of a person after death is compatible with the presumption against miracles to which the problem of evil let us in chapter 3.</p>
<p>One of these approaches involves postulating that the early disciples must have experienced a certain kind of event that no longer occurs today. Advocates of this view seek to do justice to the indications in the New Testament texts that, even if Jesus remains somehow present, the nature of his presence changed radically after the finite series of events that occurred soon after his death. They reason that something must have been different in the days or weeks after Jesus’s death, even if what occurred did not involve the resuscitation (even in some significantly transform condition) of the physical body.  - Predicament of Belief p. 97</p></blockquote>
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<div>My question is ‘why could that not have been what the disciples experienced?’ I know full well that the more progressive members of the Homebrewed community will say <em>&#8216;Duh &#8211; we have held this for a long time.&#8217;</em> Please understand <strong>A)</strong> I was certainly not raised to think this way and did not know it was even an option <strong>B) </strong>most of the people I know and talk to panic when something like this is proposed.</div>
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<div><strong>I want to be clear:</strong> I am not trying to get everyone to believe this option. I am simply trying to highlight an alternative to the modern either-or argument that is stuck in an endless round-and-round stand off.</div>
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<p>My only point is that those who buy into this third (real presence) option count as “believing in the resurrection”.  Those who subscribe to a literal-physical option often claim that only their option (#1) counts as legitimate. Those who hold to option #2 roll their eyes and look down their nose (not easy to do at the same time) at those who have not accounted for the literary devices employed in the Gospel accounts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the &#8216;Big Tent&#8217; here. To get there we must first concede that the point of the text is not about physics or biology. Even if we hold to that element of the story, we  have to remember that understanding or believing in the physics is not the point. <strong>To experience the risen Christ and be changed by that presence is the point</strong>.</p>
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<div>So I wanted to ask</div>
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<li>What have you found helpful to include in the conversation that I am leaving out?</li>
<li>What seem to be the sources of folks&#8217; major hesitations that I have not accounted for?</li>
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<p>I could really use some help thinking this through. Since I left behind my Josh McDowell <em>evidence that demands a verdict</em> and my Lee Strobel <em>case for the resurrection</em>, I am working diligently to both think and present a broader approach without going all the way to Marcus Borg-land.</p>
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<p><a title="Reflecting on the Resurrection part 1" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/04/20/reflecting-on-the-resurrection-part-1/" target="_blank">[part 1 can be found here] </a></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is risen! &#8230; now what? Several of my mainline friends get to preach this coming weekend &#8211; as do I. The conversations have been great as we compared notes. The first question is usually &#8220;are you using the lectionary text?&#8221; (which I am not) and then the question of post-Easter themes as we round [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is risen! &#8230; <em>now what?</em></p>
<p><a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/RoadPortraitSunsetDB.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8188" title="RoadPortraitSunsetD&amp;B" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/RoadPortraitSunsetDB-199x300.jpg" alt="" width="199" height="300" /></a>Several of my mainline friends get to preach this coming weekend &#8211; as do I. The conversations have been great as we compared notes. The first question is usually &#8220;are you using the lectionary text?&#8221; (which I am not) and then the question of post-Easter themes as we round the corner toward Pentecost come up.</p>
<p>I was looking for something on my old blog and stumbled upon two posts from an Easter past. I thought it would be fun to edit them and put them up again.</p>
<p>The central question is “what do we do with this?” &#8211; also known as the <em>so what</em> question. People want to know because there are 3 key passages in the New Testament that say Jesus’ resurrection has consequences for what we as believers can expect after our death.</p>
<p><strong>Here are the 4 layers of thought that seem to come out of the Resurrection conversation. </strong></p>
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<li><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Layer 1:</strong></span> The disciples experienced Jesus after his death and that indicated two major things <strong>A)</strong> death is not the end and <strong>B)</strong> the Roman empire was not the final authority.</li>
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<p><em>I like this interpretation</em>. If this were all that there was, it would be enough for me. I often hear that this is nothing more than a &#8216;ghost story&#8217; and offers no hope. I don’t see it that way, and have written about it often.</p>
<p>Let me just add that North Americans are good at focusing on the first implication &#8211; that death is not the end &#8211; but often struggle with the second implication because, as I have learned, we assume that the as is structure of modern existence is the final ordering. Both the Nation State and Capitalism are given realities and so the best that can be hoped for is for the system to be tweaked in order to bring about a slightly kinder, gentler, more fair, and just version of the structures as it currently is configured [as <a title="Occupy Theology: Marx and Whitehead" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/02/06/occupy-theology-marx-and-whitehead/" target="_blank">Jeremy and Tripp outline in their TNT episode breakout session entitled "Occupy Theology"</a>]</p>
<p><strong>Christian implications of the resurrection should enable us to imagine a re-ordering of this world&#8217;s governors and empower us to dream of and participate in our ordering of life to display a different <em>operating system</em> and demonstrate a pronounce protest to the powers the be.</strong></p>
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<li><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Layer 2:</strong> </span>At the end of our life, we are taken into (or absorbed back into) the life of God. This position holds that life after death is total and absolute communion with God and acknowledges that all the &#8216;streets of gold&#8217; and &#8216;pearly gates&#8217; stuff is a result prophetic language and poetic imagining- not a material (physical) rendering.</li>
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<p><em>I like the language of this view.</em> It also helps that I think the book of Revelation is a political critique of the Roman empire and has nothing to do with the end of the world and is therefor not instructive in the least about life after death. So I don’t have to worry about the personification stuff. It frees me to enjoy the thought of release and embrace: release from this life and embrace by the divine other.</p>
<p>The way we read the book of Revelation now is killing our political imagination. The lesson of Revelation is not what will happen in our lifetime or in history &#8211; but to model for us how to speak to our time like the author spoke to his time! <strong>We are faithful to the book of Revelation not when we take it literally (as if one even could) but when we critique our Imperial structures and imagine a different way of ordering the world in order to bring about different and better outcomes. </strong></p>
<p>Critics of this view say that it is too spiritualized and not specific enough and doesn’t give dignity to the existence of the individual. I hear what they are saying, but it opens us up the to anthropomorphic critique again.</p>
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<li><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Layer 3:</strong></span> Jesus was resurrected with a trans-physical body. So we can expect a glorified &#8211; bodily &#8211; spiritual/physical existence in kind.</li>
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<p><em>This is the classic reading of the text.</em> Jesus both interacted with the physical (making breakfast on the shore and letting Thomas touch his wounds) while also not being limited to the physical (walking through walls, etc.)</p>
<p>I am, of course, comfortable with this view as it is what I was raised with and ordained into. The only downside is that it desperately needs to humbly engage the gaps that emerge in Biblical scholarship instead of arrogantly raising it’s voice to anyone who dares question any aspect of the accounts that were written so much later and which vary from each other. <strong>We have to be honest about the literary aspect of the Gospel accounts.</strong></p>
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<li><span style="color: #ff6600;"><strong>Layer 4:</strong></span> Some really thoughtful modern theologians have put forward some new theories or vocabularies with which to have this conversation. Notable are<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0061551821/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank"> N.T. Wright</a>, John Cobb, and the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">new book</a> by<a title="Philip Clayton on The Resurrection, Trinity, Eschatology &amp; the Predicament of Belief" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/07/philip-clayton-on-the-resurrection-trinity-eschatology-the-predicament-of-belief/" target="_blank"> Philip Clayton</a>.</li>
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<p>I was listening to an interview with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_10?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=john+polkinghorne&amp;sprefix=john+polki%2Caps%2C573" target="_blank">John Polkinghorn</a> and he said something that caught my attention.</p>
<blockquote><p>“What is the real me? It is certainly more than the matter of my body, because that it changing all the time. The atoms are always changing &#8211; but in some sense it is the pattern of how the atoms are formed. That,I think, is what the soul is (agreeing with Thomas Aquinas).<br />
It is an immensely rich pattern that doesn&#8217;t end at my skin. It involves my memories, my character, my personality. I think it involves all the relationships I take on. It is complex and we struggle to even say something about it. But I do not think that God will allow that pattern to be lost and I think that God will recreate that pattern after resurrection.<br />
Faith and Science are in conversation about what could be the continuity between this world and world that has yet to come.”</p></blockquote>
<p><em>I love this language.</em> It gets away from the historical argument of only literal vs. merely spiritual and points to the possibilities of a preferable future &#8211; but does so without being dogmatic, wooden interpretation or concrete physics. It leaves the door open for faith and invites us into a conversation. In my mind, that is better than rote <del>regurgitation</del> repetition of old formulations. It encourages us to think biblically and explore theologically the possibilities of a new reality.</p>
<p>We just can&#8217;t afford for Christ&#8217;s resurrection to be a promise of escape from this present world and a subsequent passivity toward the <em>as is</em> structures of our existence.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part 1 of Peter Bannister&#8217;s review is here. Sketching an alternative proposal What options then may be open to readers who share Clayton’s and Knapp’s concern for a dynamic Christology, but who want to retain a more traditional theological framework? Here I can of course only offer the briefest of sketches, but you might call [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #888888;"><em>Part 1 of <a title="Considering Clayton’s Conundrum" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/04/05/considering-claytons-conundrum/" target="_blank">Peter Bannister&#8217;s review</a> is here.</em></span></p>
<p><strong>Sketching an alternative proposal</strong></p>
<p>What options then may be open to readers who share Clayton’s and Knapp’s concern for a dynamic Christology, but who want to retain a more traditional theological framework?</p>
<p>Here I can of course only offer the briefest of sketches, but you might call my tentative proposal ‘semi-adoptionist’, for want of a better term, drawing on Philip Clayton’s former <em>Doktorvater </em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Wolfhart-Pannenberg/e/B001HD028O/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3?qid=1333648140&amp;sr=8-3" target="_blank">Wolfhart Pannenberg</a>. What if we retain the pre-incarnate Logos &#8211; it is absolutely the Second Person of the Trinity who takes flesh -, but radicalize the <em>kenosis</em> of Philippians 2 by taking seriously the free acceptance by the Logos of subjection to physical and mental developmental processes (from conception to Cross) including all they entails in the light of our limited but real scientific knowledge of human physicality. Jesus as divine Son is united to the Father ontologically throughout his earthly life, but is not necessarily consciously aware of it; the Logos rather ‘starts again from zero’ in accepting the limitations imposed by inherited human DNA, neurological structure, cognitive development, development and obedience to his earthly parents (Luke 2:51-52), having to learn a human religious tradition in its particularity, and the unavoidable reality of spending around one-third of his life snoring (yes, Jesus slept as well as wept!).<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/phone-rental-world-map.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8110" title="phone-rental-world-map" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/phone-rental-world-map-300x158.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="158" /></a></p>
<p>In this scenario Jesus is not ‘adopted’ at Baptism or Resurrection in the sense of crossing a threshold between a ‘non-divine’ and a divine nature, but certainly attains to a new intensification of his Sonship in a ‘functional’ sense. He is anointed with the Spirit at Baptism, raised through the Spirit at Easter and exalted as <em>Kyrios</em>  at his Ascension by virtue of having defeated the Powers in his self-emptying death on the Cross.  Appropriating <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank"><em>The Predicament</em>’s </a>language of emergence theory, these are real<em> </em>events in Jesus’s life where a new ‘emergent level’ is reached. In this scheme there is therefore authentic <em>becoming </em>without the radical discontinuity suggested by all-out adoptionism. At the same time this ‘becoming’ is not restricted to the humanity of Jesus; as long as we regard Christ as one person and not two and remember that his indwelling by the Spirit, his earthly life is simultaneously the experience of a human being and the life of humanity experienced by God.</p>
<p>To use Irenaeus’s framework of seeing Jesus’s life as a <em>recapitulation </em>of what it is to be a human being, I would like to suggest that the mission of his earthly existence is in some way to become <em>in time</em>, through a life of self-giving love and perfect obedience to the Father, the Son that he is from all eternity.</p>
<p>As to how it is possible to keep the notion of the eternal Son while admitting real development in Jesus&#8217;s life, I would suggest that the idea of &#8216;Sonship&#8217; has two aspects which, while obviously related, are conceptually separable. This was already explored by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Wolfhart-Pannenberg/e/B001HD028O/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3?qid=1333648140&amp;sr=8-3" target="_blank">Pannenberg </a>in <em>Jesus, God and Man</em> when trying make sense of Paul’s affirmation on the one hand of Christ’s pre-existence found in expressions such as ‘God sent his Son’ (Galatians 4:4) and formulations such as Romans 1:3, where Jesus is ‘<em>designated </em>Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead’, which has sometimes been interpreted in adoptionist fashion.  Pannenberg’s position is that while adoptionist language is undoubtedly Biblical, ‘the idea of Jesus’ adoption by God says too little’ and that – quoting Paul Althaus &#8211; ‘Jesus was what he is before he knew about it’.</p>
<p>One aspect of the Divine Sonship is filiation, i.e. the Son as the &#8216;only-begotten&#8217; of John 1:18, a status which obviously cannot be &#8216;renounced&#8217; kenotically. If we are using the title &#8216;Son&#8217; in this way, it seems wholly reasonable to assert that Jesus was God&#8217;s &#8216;Son&#8217; even in Mary’s womb. However, once the word &#8216;Sonship&#8217; is used in its second sense, invested with real content in terms of the outworking of Jesus’s character rather than merely denoting filiation, things look different; if what we talking about is Jesus’s <em>path</em> of self-emptying love, this inevitably requires the trajectory of a life lived. It simply can’t happen by magic.</p>
<p>Being a composer, let me conclude with a musical analogy. Imagine the Son’s eternal Divine nature ‘vertically’ in terms of harmony, as a chord you could strike on a piano or a guitar. Now take those same notes into the world of ‘melody’ where things happen in time, i.e. horizontally, and play them in succession from the bottom up. But don’t dampen the strings of the guitar, and leave the piano pedal down. What happens is that you arrive at the same chord. In our temporally-structured world of earthly existence, it is such a ‘melodic’ unfolding which is the only means of the ‘composing-out’ of Jesus’s Sonship (<em>Auskomponierung</em> in the German technical jargon of which music theorists are just as fond as systematic theologians). Something really happens. But the notes are the same as those of the chord, and the listener’s experience is enriched by the melody. Not only enriched, but hopefully inspired for her own melodic journey through life.</p>
<p>The project represented by <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">The Predicament of Belief</a> </em> is surely an excellent and important one; Steven Knapp and Philip Clayton deserve our congratulations and gratitude for the considerable service that they have rendered both to the academy and the Church in undertaking it. But I think that I am not misinterpreting the intentions of the authors themselves in saying that their book is best taken as a starting-point and not as a final destination.</p>
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<p align="center">To be continued.</p>
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<p><em>Doubly trained in music and systematic/philosophical theology, Peter Bannister is Associate Artistic Director and Composer-in-Association of SOLI DEO GLORIA Inc., a Chicago-based organization devoted to furthering sacred music in the Judeo-Christian tradition. He also co-directs the American Church in Paris’s participation in the John Templeton Foundation’s ‘Scientists in Congregations Ministry Initiative’, and is the author of the Music and Theology blog ‘Da stand das Meer’.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest post by Peter Bannister  The Predicament of Belief  by Philip Clayton and Steven Knapp is a first-rate book &#8211; both highly thought-provoking and courageous. Philip Clayton has consistently shown himself to be one of the Church’s most creative thinkers and is perhaps unequalled in offering imaginative tools for re-invigorating our approach to Christian faith [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center">Guest post by Peter Bannister</p>
<p> <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">The Predicament of Belief </a> </em>by Philip Clayton and Steven Knapp is a first-rate book &#8211; both highly thought-provoking and courageous. Philip Clayton has consistently shown himself to be one of the Church’s most creative thinkers and is perhaps unequalled in offering imaginative tools for re-invigorating our approach to Christian faith &#8216;after Google&#8217;. For catalyzing and hosting constructive debate with a combination of intellectual vigour and graciousness there simply seems to be no-one better on the horizon of the contemporary theological landscape. So I&#8217;m a fan.</p>
<p>The first philosophical chapters of <em>The Predicament of Belief</em>, making a powerful case for the rationality of believing in a personal, benevolent Ultimate Reality, are ones with which I find myself agreeing without reservation. I start getting nervous when the authors’ ‘Christian minimalist’ position is taken as more than a pragmatic expression of what can be adduced without stepping beyond rational justifiability. When minimalism becomes a preferred option in the search not merely for human consensus but for truth about Ultimate Reality, my theological nerve-endings start jangling.</p>
<p><strong>Adoptionism – the only solution ?</strong></p>
<p>Here I would particularly like to focus on Christology. I’m torn between admiration for the authors’ brave attempt at a minimal ‘core Christian proposal’ that can function as a rallying-point for the contemporary Church and ambivalence towards their constructive suggestion. Is it a) the only viable truth-claim available in the present climate or b) a simple working hypothesis whose interest lies in its usefulness for stemming the decline in American mainline Protestantism, an attractive proposition to those alienated by traditional dogma? While I agree that sensitivity to those suspicious of doctrine in general is highly desirable, I find <em>The Predicament </em>overly pessimistic about rationally justifying anything approaching an orthodox theological viewpoint: their assumption that such a position cannot stand in the 21st century seems a little hasty. Especially as my experience is that the ‘spiritual but not religious’ constituency which minimalism hopes to attract is just as resistant to the ‘left-brain’ logical argumentation represented by <em>The Predicament </em>as to an insistence on literal adherence to ancient creeds.</p>
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<p>In the book, adoptionism is presented as an option ‘that does not include the claim that the same person who became the man Jesus already existed in divine form before Jesus was born’.  Instead, ‘after Jesus’s death, God somehow took this individual’s subjectivity into the divine subjectivity, commingling them in such a way that they came to dwell within each other and even to become identical to each other.’ This supposedly offers a way out of the ‘dichotomy that <em>either </em>Jesus continues as the identical person within the godhead <em>or </em>Jesus is a merely human model for others to emulate.’ This ‘may be attractive to those contemporary Christians who can’t quite believe (even if they have no way of definitively denying) the complicated assertions of classical Trinitarian thought, but who nevertheless find themselves believing in Jesus’ continuing personal presence’.</p>
<p>Towards the end of his concise <a title="Philip Clayton on The Resurrection, Trinity, Eschatology &amp; the Predicament of Belief" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/07/philip-clayton-on-the-resurrection-trinity-eschatology-the-predicament-of-belief/" target="_blank">Emergent Village presentation</a> of the book  (around the 30 minute mark on the HBC podcast), PC puts his theological hands up and admits that his preference goes to ‘adoptionist’ Christology because the alternative of an eternal preexistent Logos is not persuasive now that static Greek metaphysics have landed in the trash can of history. Not unless you believe in a &#8216;three bears with three chairs&#8217; Trinity (don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;ll understand if you listen to the audio&#8230;).</p>
<p><strong>The pre-existent Logos: an obsolete accessory ?<span id="more-8100"></span><br />
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<p>For PC, the preexistent Logos simply has to go. But what takes its place? I find myself having mixed sentiments towards his constructive proposal. I can certainly understand his argument and agree as far as the utility of a Spirit Christology is concerned. I also very much find myself drawn to his view (shared by many of the participants in the Claremont discussion) that the resource of process thought makes a better bridge between theology and contemporary science than Greek metaphysical discourse. And I don’t want to exaggerate the extent to which Philip Clayton has taken a position that can’t be accommodated within an orthodox Christian framework given some judicious alterations in vocabulary.</p>
<p>It should be admitted</p>
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<li> that his welcome affirmation of the post-Resurrection unity of Jesus and God has bigger practical implications for the Church today than the issue of the pre-incarnate Logos and that</li>
<li> it is historically undeniable that adoptionism was certainly a valid option within the very earliest Christian period. For those on the fringes of Christian belief who looking for an <em>entry-point </em>to Christian theology, an adoptionist Christology can perhaps be of value.</li>
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<p>However, it must be said that Philip Clayton’s solution of his conundrum is not without cost, and that the price (exegetical, theological and ecumenical) is maybe higher than either <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">The Predicament of Belief </a></em>or the Emergent Village Theological Conversation seem to suggest.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion &#8211; Part 1: </strong></p>
<p><strong>Firstly</strong>, an adoptionist position arguably leads to problems with Scripture which are difficult to solve even with a black belt in exegetical judo.</p>
<p><strong>Secondly</strong>, the theological price. Get rid of the preexistent Logos and you also kiss farewell to the Immanent Trinity, Trinitarian theology of creation and Trinitarian theological anthropology. <em>Hasta la vista </em>to the Cappadocian Fathers – and Eastern Christian tradition more generally (as well as Celtic Christianity in the West), for which the threeness of God is as just as much theological bedrock as the Divine Unity. Philosophically, if God is not <em>eternally </em>Triune, then grounding otherness ontologically becomes impossible unless you go the route of ontologizing the God-world relationship (which creates other problems). If the Son is not eternal, then logically neither is the Father.</p>
<p><strong> Thirdly</strong>, the view that belief in the eternal Logos is just Greek metaphysical mumbo-jumbo has been challenged by recent research on Philo (identified in <em>The Predicament </em>as the conduit for Logos theology), not only by Christian scholars such as Larry Hurtado and Margaret Barker but also within Jewish studies on the part of Alan F Segal and more recently Daniel Boyarin. If their thesis of the pre-Christian incorporation of the Logos and other mediating concepts within a Jewish framework of salvation <em>history</em> is correct, then the notion that the Logos is a static concept derived purely from Hellenistic sources becomes questionable. If Judaism at the time of early Christianity proved capable of translating the Logos into its own conceptualities, thereby seriously tweaking the Greek concept, this raises the possibility that a creative theological appropriation of the Logos idea may equally be a way forward for us today. It’s not automatically a theological albatross.</p>
<p><strong> Fourthly</strong>, an overtly ‘adoptionist’ position risks alienating some theological constituencies (I’m thinking particularly of Social Trinitarians, admirers of Stanley Hauerwas, and ‘post-conservatives’ drawn to the work of figures such as <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Roger-E.-Olson/e/B001IR3IJE/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1333634997&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Roger Olson</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/N.-T.-Wright/e/B001H6NEG8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_7?qid=1333635254&amp;sr=1-7" target="_blank">NT Wright</a>) which might otherwise be attracted to this conversation and would certainly be welcome contributors to it. If PC wants a Big Tent approach, then prodding the roof with a sharp object may not be advisable. As even superstar theologians such as Hans Küng in the 1970s and more recently <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-A.-Johnson/e/B001JSD5W2/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3?qid=1333635320&amp;sr=1-3" target="_blank">Elizabeth A Johnson</a> have discovered to their cost, embracing an adoptionist Christology is not necessarily a way to win friends and influence people in certain circles: there are simply too many people out there willing to hit the &#8216;THIS IS HERESY!!!!&#8217; button, and life is too short to have to deal with them.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #888888;"><em>in part 2: an alternative proposal. </em></span></p>
<p><em>Doubly trained in music and systematic/philosophical theology, Peter Bannister is Associate Artistic Director and Composer-in-Association of SOLI DEO GLORIA Inc., a Chicago-based organization devoted to furthering sacred music in the Judeo-Christian tradition. He also co-directs the American Church in Paris’s participation in the John Templeton Foundation’s ‘Scientists in Congregations Ministry Initiative’, and is the author of the Music and Theology blog ‘Da stand das Meer’.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a difficult era for those who find themselves committed to the values of scientific rationality and yet moved by the claims of a religious tradition. That is how the preface to Philip Clayton’s new book The Predicament of Belief  begins. I am always a little jealous of people who have a scientific background [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is a difficult era for those who find themselves committed to the values of scientific rationality and yet moved by the claims of a religious tradition.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is how the <em>preface</em> to Philip Clayton’s new book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">The Predicament of Belief </a> </em>begins.</p>
<p>I am always a little jealous of people who have a scientific background or who have a comprehension of philosophy. Don’t get me wrong, I read books like<em> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0375727205/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">Fabric of the Cosmos</a> </em>by Brian Green and dabble in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Tillich/e/B000APZER4/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1331692660&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Tillich</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Jürgen-Moltmann/e/B001H6OCLO/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1331692693&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Moltmann</a>. I love reading that stuff and get a lot out of it &#8230; but it is never comfortable or familiar. I was raised as a Billy Graham evangelical and have a Bachelor’s Degree in Biblical Studies. I have a Masters in Theology and in 20 years of ministry  I have preached over 1,000 sermons. I am a pastor. I adore the church. I <em>think</em> in community. It is both how I am built and how I have been groomed. This is part of why I wrote my thesis in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=contextual+theology&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" target="_blank">Contextual Theology</a> and am now pursuing a degree in Practical Theology.  <strong>I am obsessed with the church. </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“&#8230; It is hard to decide what parts of one’s tradition it makes sense to reject or retain.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is the thing:</p>
<ul>
<li>I like when <a title="John Cobb on the Incarnation and its Theological Predicaments: Homebrewed Christianity ep. 38" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2008/12/23/john-cobb-on-the-incarnation-and-its-theological-predicaments-homebrewed-christianity-ep-38/" target="_blank">John Cobb calls into question the <em>ousia</em></a> of the Creeds and gets into the metaphysics of the hypostatic union.</li>
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<p>But can I go with Philip&#8217;s brand of Adoptionism (in Christology)?</p>
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<li>I like when <a title="Emergent Evolution, Spirituality, &amp; God" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/13/emergent-evolution-spirituality-god/" target="_blank">Philip talks about the origins of the universe </a>including  the possibility of a multi-verse with Red Giant suns exploding and propelling their heaviest components out into the far reaches of the galaxy.</li>
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<p>But can I go with him when he talks about the 5 layers of the Resurrection?</p>
<p><em><span style="color: #888888;">[Keep in mind that I said <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/01/reading-the-bible-that-tricky-3rd-way/" target="_blank">in a post last week </a>that I could never imagine saying 3 things:  A) Paul didn't write that book B) Jesus probably didn't say that sentence and C) the Bible is wrong about that ]</span></em></p>
<p>It is interesting to me that Philip comes from much the same background as I do. It was because of his work that <a href="http://www.cst.edu/" target="_blank">Claremont School of Theology </a>first came onto my radar. I love his vision as the new Dean for the school and have gone on to read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Philip-Clayton/e/B001HCZTOC/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1331694491&amp;sr=8-1-spell" target="_blank">several of his books</a>. His conversation with <a href="http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0S00MpKDGBP5WMA01b7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrMnU3NmppBHBvcwMzBHNsawNyZXMEc2VjA3Ny?fr=yff40c&amp;fr2=piv-web&amp;c=2&amp;p=philip+clayton+tony+jones&amp;vid=19c346c19dcda3dc27f7547f5187a828&amp;dt=1268380800&amp;l=1129&amp;turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1594535379750%26id%3Dc8d9f3134287a56ad5ee1bc5808f0b46%26bid%3DG%252fWrxk%252f%252bMpnS%252fA%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fvimeo.com%252f10113368&amp;rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F10113368&amp;tit=Philip+Clayton+and+Tony+Jones%2C+Atlanta+2010+%28Part...&amp;sigr=10p6jc544&amp;newfp=1" target="_blank">Tony Jones at an Emergent Theological cohort</a> gathering is something I still reference monthly. I get what Philip is saying and I am down with what Philip is up to. Clayton speaks to me. I quote him often in sermons and coffee-shop conversations.</p>
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<p>Anyone who knows me knows that I have no affection for<em> tradition-for-tradition’s-sake</em> and I don’t even have one conservative bone in my body. I have no affinity for ceremony, ritual, sacrament, or obligation apart from their narrative value. But as I read Clayton’s newest book, I am confronted on nearly every page with the question<em> “do you know what this would mean?” </em> This is edgy stuff. His work is innovative and daring and would be well over the line for those that I report to for ordination and accreditation.</p>
<p><strong> So I am left with two questions:</strong></p>
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<li>How does one preach this stuff?</li>
<li>What would it look like to <em>let go</em> and fall all the way down the rabbit hole of this kind of thinking?</li>
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<p><strong> I am saved from too much torment by two entirely different convictions.</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The world is changing.</li>
<li>As people of truth, we need to deal in <em>what is true.</em></li>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong> The first</strong></span> reminds me that the world has always changed &#8211; which is good and healthy and necessary. Some say that the only difference is that we have moved,in human civilization,  from <strong>incremental</strong> change to a period of <strong>exponential</strong> change.</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>The second</strong></span> reminds me that we can say things like “You shall know that truth&#8230;” or “All truth is God’s truth” and then act like they had it right in the 3rd century. No, if we are to be people of truth, then we need to pursue truth &#8211; wherever it leads.</p>
<p>Pursuing truth may lead us to conclusions that are different than our traditions have expressed. It may lead to us revisiting some things that we have held dear.  But what is the alternative?  To hang on to outdated and outmoded sentimentalities that have little to do with reality and the world as-it-is? Or to continue to play word games in our ecclesiastical silos that have little bearing on the real way people live outside our theological conclaves?</p>
<p>No. We <em>need</em> this. We <em>must</em> to do this. We <em>have</em> to take seriously the landscape that is in front of us and navigate the actual terrain that we occupy. Otherwise we risk living in the conceptual map and never walking on the land as it <em>really is.</em></p>
<p>That is the predicament of believing Philip Clayton.</p>
<p><em>you can also check out t<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2012/03/07/philip-clayton-on-the-resurrection-trinity-eschatology-the-predicament-of-belief/" target="_blank">his earlier post &amp; video</a> (and podcast)  for a great discussion </em></p>
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		<title>Ready for the Road Trip?  process prep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Sanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[in just a few shorts days folks will start to wander on down to the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains, to the Claremont School of Theology for the 2012 Emergent Village Theological Conversation. You can follow along and ask questions on Twitter at #EVTC where the main sessions will also be streamed live. Some of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in just a few shorts days folks will start to wander on down to the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains, to the Claremont School of Theology for the <a href="http://www.processtheology.org/" target="_blank">2012 Emergent Village Theological Conversation</a>.</p>
<p>You can follow along and ask questions on<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23EVTC" target="_blank"> Twitter at #EVTC</a> where the main sessions will also be streamed live.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #339966;">Some of you will be looking to download some last minute audiological goodness for your journey.</span><br />
Here are some suggestions:</p>
<p>Philip Clayton was interviewed on Doug Pagitt&#8217;s radio show. <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/emergentvillage/2012/01/emergent-village-process-theology-conversation-preview/" target="_blank">Link is here</a> [all of these are also available on I-tunes]</p>
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<p><a title="Process, Poetry, &amp; Post-Structuralism With Catherine Keller: Homebrewed Christianity 112" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/07/20/process-poetry-post-structuralism-with-catherine-keller-homebrewed-christianity-112/" target="_blank"> Process Poetics</a> with Catherine Keller</p>
<p><a title="John Cobb on the Incarnation and its Theological Predicaments: Homebrewed Christianity ep. 38" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2008/12/23/john-cobb-on-the-incarnation-and-its-theological-predicaments-homebrewed-christianity-ep-38/" target="_blank">John Cobb on Christology</a> (an early HBC interview)</p>
<p><a title="Religious Pluralism, Christology &amp; Process with Monica A. Coleman: Homebrewed Christianity 123" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/10/30/religious-pluralism-christology-process-with-monica-a-coleman-homebrewed-christianity-123/" target="_blank">Monica A. Coleman </a> on Process and Pluralism</p>
<p><a title="Welcome to the Wonderful World of Process Theology with Bruce Epperly: Homebrewed Christianity 111" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/07/13/epperl/" target="_blank">Bruce Epperly</a> on Process 101</p>
<p><a title="TNT: Emergent Process Conversation Preparation" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/12/16/tnt-emergent-process-conversation-preparation/" target="_blank">TNT: Conversation Preparation </a>all about the conference.</p>
<p><a title="Robert Mesle’s Introduction to the Philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead: Homebrewed Christianity 65" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/21/robert-mesles-introduction-to-the-philosophy-of-alfred-north-whitehead-homebrewed-christianity-65/">Robert Mesle</a> introduces Whitehead&#8217;s thoughts</p>
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<p>If you are looking for some reading on the flight here is Epperly&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004ZIODEC/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">Guide for the Perplexed on KINDLE</a>!!  available for instant download for 9.99.</p>
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		<title>Coming to Jesus with Daniel Kirk &amp; Philip Clayton: Homebrewed Christianity 3-D</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tripp Fuller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ What does coming to Jesus look like today?  We may not have the answer but we do have a seriously fun and enlightening conversation. During the American Academy of Religion a herd of theology nerds gathered in the home of Mark Scandrette &#8211; Jesus Dojo extraordinaire &#8211; for some live Homebrewed Christianity podcast fun.  Daniel [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Jesus_Christ_statue_600.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-7556" title="Jesus_Christ_statue_600" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Jesus_Christ_statue_600-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a> What does coming to Jesus look like today?  We may not have the answer but we do have a seriously fun and enlightening conversation.</p>
<p>During the American Academy of Religion a herd of theology nerds gathered in the home of <a href="http://www.markscandrette.com/">Mark Scandrette</a> &#8211; <a href="http://jesusdojo.com/">Jesus Dojo</a> extraordinaire &#8211; for some live Homebrewed Christianity podcast fun.  <a href="http://www.jrdkirk.com/">Daniel Kirk </a>(New Testament Prof at <a href="http://fuller.edu/">Fuller Theological Seminar</a>y) and <a href="http://philipclayton.net/">Philip Clayton</a> (Philosophical Theologian and Dean of <a href="http://www.cst.edu/">Claremont School of Theology</a>) were our featured contributors but the<del> crowd</del> Deacons who gathered made the entire experience a blast. On top of the podcast we all enjoyed the wonderful food provided by the Scandrette family, the huge bottle of Bullet Bourbon <a href="http://bexrex.tumblr.com/">from Rebekah</a>, 3 amazing homebrews from Kirk, and some great questions at the end.  <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2846926732_257a5854f4.jpg"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7557" title="2846926732_257a5854f4" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2846926732_257a5854f4-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>We hope you enjoy the live brew.  If you dig it you should make plans to join us February 12 at Claremont for John Caputo going 3-D or holla about hosting a show in your own home\bar\church.</p>
<p>If you are wise&#8230;.and of course you are&#8230;you should get Kirk&#8217;s new book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/080103910X/?tag=homebrechrist-20"><em>Jesus Have I Loved, but Paul?</em></a> and Phil&#8217;s freshest <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/019969527X/?tag=homebrechrist-20">The Predicament of Belief.</a>  </em></p>
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		<itunes:subtitle> What does coming to Jesus look like today?  We may not have the answer but we do have a seriously fun and enlightening conversation.
During the American Academy of Religion a herd of theology nerds gathered in the home of Mark Scandrette &#8211; Je[...]</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary> What does coming to Jesus look like today?  We may not have the answer but we do have a seriously fun and enlightening conversation.
During the American Academy of Religion a herd of theology nerds gathered in the home of Mark Scandrette &#8211; Jesus Dojo extraordinaire &#8211; for some live Homebrewed Christianity podcast fun.  Daniel Kirk (New Testament Prof at Fuller Theological Seminary) and Philip Clayton (Philosophical Theologian and Dean of Claremont School of Theology) were our featured contributors but the crowd Deacons who gathered made the entire experience a blast. On top of the podcast we all enjoyed the wonderful food provided by the Scandrette family, the huge bottle of Bullet Bourbon from Rebekah, 3 amazing homebrews from Kirk, and some great questions at the end.  
We hope you enjoy the live brew.  If you dig it you should make plans to join us February 12 at Claremont for John Caputo going 3-D or holla about hosting a show in your own homebarchurch.
If you are wise&#8230;.and of course you are&#8230;you should get Kirk&#8217;s new book Jesus Have I Loved, but Paul? and Phil&#8217;s freshest The Predicament of Belief.  
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bo Sanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Next week we begin our cross-pollination activities to make people aware of the amazing opportunity to be a part of the 2012 Emergent Theological Conversation that will be held in Claremont, CA  from January 31 &#8211; February 2. We will be posting guest blogs around the internet as well as responding to questions here. If [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next week we begin our cross-pollination activities to make people aware of the amazing opportunity to be a part of the <a href="http://www.processtheology.org/" target="_blank">2012 Emergent Theological Conversation</a> that will be held in Claremont, CA  from January 31 &#8211; February 2.</p>
<p>We will be posting guest blogs around the internet as well as responding to questions here.</p>
<p>If you want to get ready for that &#8211; or are looking for a little <em>Turkey-Week</em> reading, here are two places to start:</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/What_Is_Process_Theology.pdf">What_Is_Process_Theology</a>&#8221; is a classic little starter by Marjorie Hewitt Suchocki</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GodBeyondOrthodoxy-r3.pdf">GodBeyondOrthodoxy-r3</a>&#8221; : Process Theology for the 21st Century by Philip Clayto<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7139" title="EV Theological Conversation()" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation1-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>n</p>
<p><strong>until then, you can post your questions or thoughts here. Thanks for helping us get ready for this. The <a title="Please help write a Post on Process" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/10/31/please-help-write-a-post-on-process/" target="_blank">comments and conversations</a>  have been wonderful. </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>There is, however, in the Galilean origin of Christianity yet another suggestion which does not fit very well with any of the three main strands of thought. It does not emphasize the ruling Caesar, or the ruthless moralist, or the unmoved mover. It dwells upon the tender elements in the world, which slowly and in quietness operate by love; and it finds purpose in the present immediacy of a kingdom not of this world. Love neither rules, nor is it unmoved;  -Whitehead</p>
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		<title>5 Sessions of the 2012 Emergent Conversation</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bo Sanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Emergent Village Theological Conversation 2012 will carry forward some of the best aspects of previous conversations. It will also feature some innovations that appropriately reflect the topic of this year’s gathering. Here are some highlights of what you can expect: Process Theology emphasizes an open-ended and relational view of faith. The 5 sessions will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.processtheology.org/" target="_blank">Emergent Village Theological Conversation 2012</a> will carry forward some of the best aspects of previous conversations. It will also feature some innovations that appropriately reflect the topic of this year’s gathering.<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7139" title="EV Theological Conversation()" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation1-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>Here are some highlights of what you can expect:</p>
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<li>Process Theology emphasizes an open-ended and relational view of faith. The 5 sessions will integrate a format that is thoroughly relational and open-ended.</li>
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<p>It is important that the <em>information</em> being presented match the <em>organization</em> of the conference. We want the content to match the container.</p>
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<li>Process Theology introduces new concepts and vocabulary. Each of the 5 sessions will begin with a ‘keynote’ presentation from a scholar, who will then be in dialogue with two other practitioners and thinkers.  The conversation will then be expanded to the gathered participants &#8211; with each session utilizing an appropriate format for the themes of that session.</li>
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<p>Use of technology like the Twitter-Tumbler and an empowered moderator will facilitate real-time interactions with the presenter during the session.</p>
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<li>The structure of the five session are organized in a chiastic format. <a href="http://monicaacoleman.com/" target="_blank">Monica A. Coleman</a> will lead us in session 1 and 5. <a title="John Cobb on the Incarnation and its Theological Predicaments: Homebrewed Christianity ep. 38" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2008/12/23/john-cobb-on-the-incarnation-and-its-theological-predicaments-homebrewed-christianity-ep-38/" target="_blank">John B. Cobb</a> will host session 2 and 4. <a title="A Conversation with Philip Clayton: Homebrewed Christianity 85" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2010/09/21/a-conversation-with-philip-clayton-homebrewed-christianity-85/" target="_blank">Philip Clayton</a> has agreed to provide the ‘hinge’ session 3.</li>
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<p>Session 1 is Introduction with Monica Coleman<br />
Session 2 is Expansion with John Cobb (<em>Christian Belief and Pluralism</em>)<br />
Session 3 is Dissection and Doubt with Philip Clayton<br />
Session 4 is Application with John Cobb (<em>Economics and Ecology</em>)<br />
Session 5 is Construction for Ministry with Monica Coleman</p>
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<li><a title="Everyday Justice with Julie Clawson: Homebrewed Christianity 67" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/11/20/everyday-justice-with-julie-clawson-homebrewed-christianity-68/" target="_blank">Julie Clawson</a>, veteran of Emergent Conversations, pointed out that most conferences don’t build in a time to question, disagree, and push-back. Great ideas are presented and insightful questions are asked &#8230; but the real wrestling is done either individually or after hours.</li>
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<p>We still want personal wrestling and after-hours conversation, but we have also purposefully built in a session for wrestling out loud. Session 3 will let us debrief with Philip Clayton who navigates the worlds of Emergent and Process, Church and Academy in a masterful way.</p>
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<li>Each session will be followed up with related break-out tracks. One will focus on ministry specific issues. <a href="http://processandfaith.org/about/pf-staff-friends" target="_blank">Jeanyne Slettom</a>, director of the <a href="http://processandfaith.org/" target="_blank">Center for Process &amp; Faith</a> and co-Pastor of a process-centered congregation will be helping us with this. Another track will be theological-conceptual. The third will be a wild-card showcase.</li>
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<p>Five times we will come together for the main sessions to hear a presentation, listen to a dialogue, participate in a conversation, and then disperse for break-out sessions.  These four expanding levels of engagement will allow for both learning and expression in each of the five chapters.</p>
<p><strong>Here is a potential picture of Session 5:</strong> <a title="Religious Pluralism, Christology &amp; Process with Monica A. Coleman: Homebrewed Christianity 123" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/10/30/religious-pluralism-christology-process-with-monica-a-coleman-homebrewed-christianity-123/" target="_blank">Monica Coleman</a> will present ideas and stories about her ministerial experiences and context specific opportunities and challenges for ministry with a Process framework. Then <a href="http://danielleshroyer.com/about/" target="_blank">Danielle Shroyer</a> and <a title="Welcome to the Wonderful World of Process Theology with Bruce Epperly: Homebrewed Christianity 111" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/07/13/epperl/" target="_blank">Bruce Epperly </a>will join her to tell a bit about their context and their engagement of Process in ministry.  Next, we will break down into smaller circles to compare notes in order come into the <em>Question &amp; Response</em> time. This main-session conversation will propel us into the the breakout sessions. One breakout will have two pastors talking about preaching Process. One will be about comparing theological vocab &amp; concepts between different schools of thought. Another will address sexuality in the church &amp; community.</p>
<p>For John Cobb&#8217;s session 4 on Ecology and Economy, a conversation partner like <a href="http://julieclawson.com/" target="_blank">Julie Clawson</a> (author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830836284/?tag=homebrechrist-20" target="_blank">Everyday Justice</a>) and another thinker would be followed by  breakout sessions that correlate.</p>
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</a>This is going to be a wonderful time &#8211; come to the <a href="http://www.processtheology.org/" target="_blank">registration page </a>and sign-up now. Put it on you Christmas List! you might surprised who <em>wants</em> you to be there.</p>
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		<title>Emergent Village Conversation 2012</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bo Sanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s official. Claremont will host the 2012 National conversation with Emergent Village. We are so excited to be a part of putting this on. Register here and tell a friend to sign up! &#160; Christmas is just 40 some days away&#8230; publish your Wish List this week.  1) Registration for the 2012 Emergent Village Conversation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s official. Claremont will host the 2012 National conversation with Emergent Village.</p>
<p><a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-7123" title="EV Theological Conversation()" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EV-Theological-Conversation.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="161" /></a>We are so excited to be a part of putting this on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.processtheology.org/" target="_blank">Register here </a>and tell a friend to sign up!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Christmas is just 40 some days away&#8230; publish your Wish List this week. </strong></p>
<p>1) Registration for the 2012 Emergent Village Conversation  = $99</p>
<p>2) Plane tickets to Southern California = points donated by relatives</p>
<p>3) Engaging in new ideas presented by inspiring thinkers = priceless.</p>
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<p>click here for<a title="5 Sessions of the 2012 Emergent Conversation" href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2011/11/09/5-sessions-of-the-2012-emergent-conversation/" target="_blank"> an overview of the 5 sessions</a> that are planned</p>
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		<title>Christ the Key with Kathryn Tanner: Homebrewed Christianity 92</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tripp Fuller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathryn Tanner has written (at least personally) the most compelling, creative, and constructive Christology in a long time. This interview was actually conducted in person by Philip Clayton.  They were both students together at Yale as the &#8216;Yale School&#8217; was in its formative period.  Being friends and familiar with each others&#8217; work makes for a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.yale.edu/divinity/faculty/fac_tanner_kathryn.shtml"><img class="alignleft" src="http://libweb.ptsem.edu/uploadedImages/Special_Collections/Center_for_Barth_Studies/kathryn%20tanner%284%29.jpg" alt="" width="155" height="234" /></a> Kathryn Tanner has written (at least personally) the most compelling, creative, and constructive Christology in a long time. This interview was actually conducted in person by P<a href="http://philipclayton.net/">hilip Clayton</a>.  They were both students together at Yale as the &#8216;Yale School&#8217; was in its formative period.  Being friends and familiar with each others&#8217; work makes for a fun conversation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0521732778/?tag=homebrechrist-20"><img class="alignright" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yZ46altbL.jpg" alt="" width="115" height="180" /></a>A while back I wrote a <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2010/11/02/i-heart-kathryn-tanners-christocentric-christology/">review of her Christology, <em>Christ the Key</em>, her</a>e.  You can c<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Kathryn-Tanner/e/B001HQ3WY2/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1">heck out all her books (and get <em>Christ the Key) </em>here</a>.</p>
<p>The book itself came out of a series of lectures she gave at Princeton.  Bloggers showed up and got a clickin&#8217; <a href="http://fireandrose.blogspot.com/2007/03/lecture-i-in-image-of-invisible.html"><strong>Lecture I,</strong></a> <a href="http://derevth.blogspot.com/2007/03/2007-warfield-lectures-lecture-2-grace.html"><strong>Lecture II, </strong></a><a href="http://fireandrose.blogspot.com/2007/03/2007-warfield-lectures-lecture-iii.html"><strong>Lecture III, </strong></a><a href="http://disruptivegrace.blogspot.com/2007/03/2007-warfield-lectures-lecture-4.html"><strong>Lecture IV, </strong></a><a href="http://disruptivegrace.blogspot.com/2007/03/2007-warfield-lectures-lecture-6.html"><strong>Lecture V, Lecture VI, </strong></a>Me<a href="http://memoriadei.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/christ-the-key-synopsis-1/">moria Dei has a series of po</a>sts that go through the book and there is a <a href="http://www.theopolitical.com/?p=1600">brief post on theopolitica</a>l. She is also loved at <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2006/06/for-love-of-god-14-why-i-love-kathryn.html">Faith and Theolog</a>y!</p>
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		<itunes:subtitle> Kathryn Tanner has written (at least personally) the most compelling, creative, and constructive Christology in a long time. This interview was actually conducted in person by Philip Clayton.  They were both students together at Yale as the &#8216;[...]</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary> Kathryn Tanner has written (at least personally) the most compelling, creative, and constructive Christology in a long time. This interview was actually conducted in person by Philip Clayton.  They were both students together at Yale as the &#8216;Yale School&#8217; was in its formative period.  Being friends and familiar with each others&#8217; work makes for a fun conversation.
A while back I wrote a review of her Christology, Christ the Key, here.  You can check out all her books (and get Christ the Key) here.
The book itself came out of a series of lectures she gave at Princeton.  Bloggers showed up and got a clickin&#8217; Lecture I, Lecture II, Lecture III, Lecture IV, Lecture V, Lecture VI, Memoria Dei has a series of posts that go through the book and there is a brief post on theopolitical. She is also loved at Faith and Theology!
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		<title>Big Tent Phoenix</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bo Sanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This shift in theological dialogue is not primarily about ideas but about relationship - not about impressiveness but about connection. If the main concern was to stage a big event with nationally known speakers then you would do that differently than what we did in Phoenix. I loved the connections that we made and the way that they were made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>by Bo Sanders</em></p>
<p>As one of the behind the scenes helpers of <a href="http://www.bigtentchristianity.com/">Big Tent Christianity</a>, I can honestly say that I feel like last week&#8217;s Phoenix event was very successful. I know that others are weighing in on things that they would have liked to have seen or things that we can do differently next time &#8211; and I agree with many of these suggestions; I think we all do.<a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/C4_BigTent_Small1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-5687" title="C4_BigTent_Small" src="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/C4_BigTent_Small1.jpg" alt="" width="270" height="252" /></a></p>
<p>But before we focus on the 10% that could use adjustment, I want to highlight four things that I think were done right and which made this an overwhelming hit: partnership, dialogue, facilitation and leadership.</p>
<p><strong>Partnership:</strong> <em><strong>we partnered with people</strong></em><strong>. </strong><span id="more-5683"></span>The <a href="http://www.azfct.org/">Arizona Center for Contemporary Theology</a>, The <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/cohorts-locations/Cohort_Phoenix">Desert Emergent Cohort</a> and <a href="http://www.beatitudeschurch.org/">the Beatitudes Church</a> were wonderful hosts and friends to Big Tent.  We didn’t pick some random city off the map, we responded to an invitation. We didn’t book some conference center or large hotel to stage the event, we were hosted by a congregation.</p>
<p>This shift in theological dialogue is not primarily about ideas but about relationship &#8211; not about impressiveness but about connection. If the main concern was to stage a big event with nationally known speakers then you would do that differently than what we did in Phoenix. I loved the connections that we made and the <strong><em>way</em></strong> that they were made.</p>
<p><strong>Dialogue:</strong> <em><strong>we had conversations</strong></em><strong>.</strong> <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-howard-merritt">Carol Howard-Merritt </a>was the first speaker and set the perfect tone. <a href="http://www.livingthequestions.com/xcart/pages.php?pageid=12">David Felton</a> spoke with an honesty that carried weight because of his position and location.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://eliacin.com/">Eliacin Rosario-Cru</a><a href="http://eliacin.com/">z</a> in conversation with <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/">Brian McLaren</a> about the practices and rhythms of faith and life.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sarcasticlutheran.typepad.com/">Nadia Bolz-Weber</a> in dialogue with <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/12/21/richard-rohr-on-nondualistic-thinking-homebrewed-christianity-70/">Richard Rohr</a> about conflict and reconciliation.</p>
<p><a href="http://postmodernegro.wordpress.com/">Anthony Smith</a> in dialogue with <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/about/">Tripp Fuller</a> about Pentecost and post-Colonial realities.</p>
<p><a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/">Rachel Held-Evans</a> taking on <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2010/08/25/marcus-borg-a-novel-jesus-scholar-homebrewed-christianity-84/">Marcus Borg </a>in the Evolution break-out session.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Whats-Sex-Got-to-Do-with-It.html#Ammons">Brian Ammons</a>’ letter to the Bishop.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.markscandrette.com/">Mark Scandrette’s</a> spoken word prayer-benediction-exhortation.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the upside to a conference like this. There are always limitations to this sort of event, but one of the advantages it that we get to listen in on conversations that we would never get to hear otherwise.  When <a href="http://marshill.org/shane-hipps/">Shane Hipps</a>, <a href="http://spencerburke.com/">Spencer Burke</a>, and <a href="http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2010/01/14/googlicious-theology-with-barry-taylor-homebrewed-christianity-72/">Barry Taylor</a> were talking about technology and spirituality, I was so happy to be in that room.</p>
<p><strong>Facilitation:</strong> <em><strong>we organized and empowered</strong></em><strong>.</strong> There were many moments where I thought to myself “I love this moment”.  We had Main-Liners, Emergents, Evangelicals, Neo-Monastics, Pentecostals, Conservatives, and ‘Nones’  talking about Prayer, Evolution, Technology, the Bible, Sex, the Church, Demons, Intentional Communities, and Race.</p>
<p>This happened in break-out sessions, over coffee breaks, in main sessions, over meals and at late-night mixers.</p>
<p><strong>Leadership:</strong> The simplest way to say this is that Big Tent is one branch on a big tree. When you have an internationally acclaimed Theologian like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0800696999/?tag=homebrechrist-20">Philip Clayton</a> who gets a vision and a subsequent grant to “<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0800696999/?tag=homebrechrist-20">Transform Christian Theology</a>” and he does this &#8211; not by writing a 3 volume systematic theology &#8211; but by being in dialogue <strong><em>with</em></strong> others and facilitating conversation <strong><em>between</em></strong> others &#8230; I think that is really saying something.  Something that is probably too easily overlooked or taken for granted in this age of cynicism where it is easier to make sarcastic quips from the back row than to make substantial contributions on the front line (<em>I am preaching to myself here</em>).</p>
<p>I loved Big Tent Phoenix &#8211; and not just because I was on the planning team. I was on the planning team because I love what this is and what it represents and what it can become.</p>
<p>There will be things that will be different at Big Tent NY or Big Tent San Fran or Big Tent Portland-Seattle.  (<em>I am making those up because I am hoping for them</em>)</p>
<p>In addition to the Denominational diversity there is always an eye toward Gender and Race representation. The theological and ecumenical voices will be increasingly complimented by the thoughtful practitioner.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure: Big Tent Phoenix was a moment &#8211; a living moment. Heads and hearts were enlivened, lives and communities were influenced. Seeds were planted. I am grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of it and I look forward to seeing where it  goes from here.</p>
<p><em>you can connect with Bo at his blog <a href="http://aneverydaytheology.blogspot.com/">http://aneverydaytheology.blogspot.com/</a> or on <a href="http://www.facebook.com/EthnicSpace">FaceBook</a> </em></p>
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		<title>Philip Clayton&#8217;s Reply to Rep. Shimkus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad Crawford</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Philip Clayton, a Christian theologian and philosopher from Claremont Graduate University who specializes in the intersection of religion and science, has recorded a reply to Rep. Shimkus&#8217; (Ill.) use of the Bible in a House hearing on global warming. Shimkus basically offered a couple of prooftexts to justify his irresponsible political position, followed by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://clayton.ctr4process.org/' target='_blank'>Dr. Philip Clayton</a>, a Christian theologian and philosopher from <a href='http://www.cgu.edu' target='_blank'>Claremont Graduate University</a> who specializes in the intersection of religion and science, has recorded a reply to <a href='http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/04/10/congressman-uses-the-bible-to-clear-up-global-warming-silliness/'>Rep. Shimkus&#8217; (Ill.) use of the Bible</a> in a House hearing on global warming. Shimkus basically offered a couple of prooftexts to justify his irresponsible political position, followed by ludicrous scientific claims, and presented them as if his statements were the infallible word of God instead of an out-of-context interpretation of scripture. I applaud Dr. Clayton&#8217;s respectful tenor given the level of lamitude of arguments from an elected official.</p>
<p><object width='425' height='344' data='http://www.youtube.com/v/-j0Pn9NDG8M&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0xe1600f&amp;color2=0xfebd01' type='application/x-shockwave-flash'><param name='allowFullScreen' value='true' /><param name='allowscriptaccess' value='always' /><param name='src' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/-j0Pn9NDG8M&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0xe1600f&amp;color2=0xfebd01' /><param name='allowfullscreen' value='true' /></object></p>
<p>Source: <a href='http://transformingtheology.org/blog/2009/04/21/clayton-responds-to-rep-john-shimkus/' target='_blank'>Transforming Theology Blog</a></p>
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		<title>The Religulous Effect of Non-Negotiable Discipleship</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad Crawford</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philip Clayton raises a good point in this video about the need for theologians to engage in discussions with philosophers that don&#8217;t involve pulling the dogma card. As church leaders, we need to teach this kind of openness before theological education.That way when people are exposed to philosophical dialogue that confronts their worldview, this won&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
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<p>Philip Clayton raises a good point in this video about the need for theologians to engage in discussions with philosophers that don&#8217;t involve pulling the dogma card.</p>
<p>As church leaders, we need to teach this kind of openness before theological education.That way when people are exposed to philosophical dialogue that confronts their worldview, this won&#8217;t happen:</p>
<p><a href='http://postsecret.blogspot.com/2009/03/sunday-secrets.html'><img class='alignnone' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/SbMvZ0sdQ2I/AAAAAAAAIUc/apt2rmm6Pi4/s1600/bill.jpg' alt='' width='518' height='310' /></a></p>
<p>(From <a href='http://postsecret.blogspot.com/2009/03/sunday-secrets.html' target='_blank'>today&#8217;s Postsecret update</a>)</p>
<p>I think the kind of 1st person theology that Philip Clayton is describing in this video has to be encouraged very early in discipleship. We can approach discipleship in churches in ways that give permission to change theological positions later.</p>
<p>Many adults in our churches were handed a set of non-negotiable truth statements when they were first discipled. If catechism is packaged that way, then our beliefs are either 100% correct or 100% BS.  When these truths are under attack, we have to fight back because otherwise we&#8217;ve wasted the last umpteen years believing something stupid.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if we learn early on that one of the only things we can be certain about is that our theology is going to change, then we can go into philosophical discussions and make truth assertions with the idea that we&#8217;re still searching, excited that we might discover something new.</p>
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