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The John 14:6 Challenge Edition!!! [TNT 39]

November 14, 2012 by Tripp Fuller 19 Comments

Over 50 different HBC Deacons have answered the call.  They responded to the John 14:6 Challenge & now Bo and I get to Nerd Out with some of your calls!  It was a ton of fun to interact with you all and we will be looking forward to more interactive fun in the near future.

The release of Brian McLaren’s new book Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?: Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World  and our subsequent live event with him at Wild Goose West (audio here) got the ball rolling.  Then when Brian’s new publisher Jericho Books who hooked us up with some promotional copies we decided to open the mic up to y’all.

Bo has been blogging as we received the calls.  First he proposed an alternative reading to John 14:6 & now he is trying to get rid of Salvation altogether (sarcasm!).

At the conclusion of the podcast Bo started talking Christological smack so soon and very soon I will be leading Bo high up the Christological mountain where the divine Logos & Sophia make sweet eternal symmetry.

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Filed Under: latest, TNT Tagged With: bo sanders, Brian McLaren, Christianity, Emergent, exclusivism, heaven, inclusivism, Islam, John 14:6, Nerd, pluralism, religion, theology, Tripp Fuller

What if John 14:6 isn’t even about Salvation?

November 13, 2012 by Bo Sanders 39 Comments

Over the past two months we have been having a lot of fun talking about John 14:6.  The release of Brian McLaren’s new book Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?: Christian Identity in a Multi-Faith World  and our subsequent live event with him at Wild Goose West (audio here) got us started.

Then Jericho Books gave us some copies to give away so we put out the John 14:6 Challenge. People stepped up with posts and used the speakpipe to leave us messages.

I swung first with “Jesus wasn’t talking about Muslims in John 14:6″ and followed it up with “an alternative to John 14:6″ saying that one that famous passage is off the table for thinking about how to deal with other religions … where does one start? What are the alternatives?

Last week, Tripp and I recorded a TNT that will come out this afternoon where we listen to some of the calls and talk about some of the posts…  in that midst of that conversation, (beginning in minute 15)  we put out an idea that I thought should be in written form and not just audio.  Here it goes:

Not only is John 14:6 not about other religions – since it is a disciple’s invitation – but it is not even about salvation. It is about relationship and not salvation.

I blame it on lazy reading that results in conflating subjects. I think that Jesus is inviting those who follow him to relate to ‘the Father’ (Abba) as he relates to Abba by:

  • living the life he laid out,
  • walking the way he modeled and
  • embodying the truth we proclaim.

Tripp implies that is has something to do with Calvinism and it’s histroical impact of making salvation:
A) transactional instead of relational
B) individual instead of communal

So I want to ask the question (you may want to listen to the TNT episode to hear the whole context):

What if John 14:6 is not only not about other religions – but isn’t even about salvation? How would that impact your use of that passage and where else would you turn in the Bible for an alternative?

Personally, I would go to Acts 4:12 “God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.”  Mainly because it has the word ‘saved’ in it AND sounds semi-exclusive … which is what people TRY to get John 14:6 to be – but simply isn’t.   That is the conflation that I am talking about.

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Filed Under: bible stuff, books, church history, engaging, latest, thinking Tagged With: Brian McLaren, Christianity, Emergent, exclusivism, heaven, inclusivism, Islam, John 14:6, pluralism, religion

Can I worship to this song? Poetics and Process

November 3, 2011 by Bo Sanders 14 Comments

I live in a worship culture. Part of it is the North American context. Part of it has to do with my living between two worlds – my family and friends are Evangelical-Charismatic and I work at a Mainline church with a serious music program … including a gargantuan Pipe Organ.

I love music. I love singing in church. I sing while I drive. Sometimes I even go out of my way to find music from other cultures to appreciate (thank you NPR).

As a pastor, I have always evaluated the songs that we sing in the service and have even vetoed certain songs for theological reasons, and others for musical reasons. And that was before I spread my wings as a progressive-emergent type or even got my theology degree.

 Being a theologian who loves music can be tricky in the current worship culture. I find myself thinking “can I sing this song with integrity?”

I take worship pretty seriously so I just don’t have the luxury to ‘turn my brain off’ or ‘turn a blind eye’ to the content of the songs that we sing as a congregation.  I can’t do what some of my peers do and say with a shrug “these are simply the songs that we sing and that is just the way it is – don’t get too worked up about it or put too much thought into it.” It’s just not possible with my personality and passions.

Examples of the challenge would be:

  • the antiquated masculine only metaphorical language about God. I know they are just pronouns. I know they are just metaphors. I know that its just personification and anthropomorphic projection… but it really gets to me.
  • Remnants of the pre-modern conception of a three-tiered universe. Heaven is ‘up’ and hell is ‘down’. etc.  I know what it is, I’m just not cool with continuing to sing it.
  • God as only transcendent. Yes – God is beyond us. But God is also within us and all around us. This spacial language problem really gets old. I’m tired of intiving/begging God to come ‘down’, break ‘in’, and show up.

One of the things that has helped me greatly is the discovery of theo-poetics. I was introduced to the idea a while ago but it didn’t come into it’s fullness until I read The Weakness of God by John Caputo. I realized that the way we talk about God is exactly that: a way.  I also love Nancy Murphey’s take on expressive vs. representative language in Beyond Liberalism and Fundamentalism. 

 I have to remind myself: Look, we use expressive language in worship. It’s poetics. Now, take a breath. 

This came to a head that other day in a different way. We are starting a new gathering at our church and I went looking for some new songs. I was not finding much so I went back to a reliable resource from my past. This large church in a different country is famous for its worship choruses. The newest album had some things on there that made me cringe a little bit. So I started looking into their theology – which I had never looked at before because previously I didn’t really look at such things.

I was troubled by three things I found. The first was an odd prosperity gospel framework. I know its always dangerous to put too much stock in quick summaries by critics… but anytime the phrase ‘greed is good‘ shows up, I’m concerned. The second was a formula to be rich/blessed  and a blame on those who weren’t. The third was that the whole thing (including the songs) were wrapped in ‘Spiritual Warfare’ as the main place that reality plays out.

I asked one of my trusted friends (who is way more liberal than I am) if we could sing songs that come from that church at our new gathering with integrity. I was shocked when she said yes. Her reasoning was that we take things and redeem them for our purposes regardless of where they come from.

I am not comfortable with that. I know its ‘just‘ theo-poetics… but I’m not sure I could worship while singing that song.

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Filed Under: engaging, latest, songs, thinking, worship Tagged With: choruses, come down, heaven, hell, hymns, masculine language, poetics, Process, prosperity, songs, theology, Worship

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