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Is anyone else nervous about Rob Bell’s new book? I am

March 12, 2013 by Bo Sanders 37 Comments

So my friends, Tweeter-verse, and church office have seen the arrival of Rob Bell’s new book “What We Talk About When We Talk About God” today. I think we are all mostly excited, if not a little apprehensive. bell book

I want to get something on the table and then ask a question. 

This will not be Love Wins. It can’t possibly be. I was explaining to a friend the other day why this is the case. Love Wins had three things that came together to create the perfect storm:

  1. Rob had a huge pulpit in the spotlight and a massive swath of pod-rishoners. We heard his voice every week. He had a platform and he used it so well.
  2. We did not not know where he was theologically on so many things. Part of Love Wins’ electric charge was simply that so many of us liked what knew of Bell with his Nooma videos, tour events, and weekly podcasts – but there was just some stuff we didn’t know.
  3. The final ingredient for the storm was that he happen to come out of the theological shadows on a topic (hell-salvation) that is SO incredibly central to the very tribe that many assumed he was a part of. Evangelicals care about salvation.

If he had written a book on any other topic, I doubt it would have caused even a minor stir. I think this because his previous book Jesus Wants To Save Christians was far more interesting and confrontational – but barely a cricket of controversy was heard.

It was the merging of these 3 forces that provided the storm its energy. Bell was in the bright spot-light, he was a popular mystery, and he tackled a subject at the center of his tribe’s value set.

None of those are present for the release of this book.

  • He is no longer in the pulpit (or the pod).
  • He is slightly less mysterious – especially after being in Newsweek, Time and the New Yorker.
  • He is not shooting for a subject at the center.

That last one is actually one of the reasons that I am excited about this book. He is addressing a more peripheral, abstract, elusive or ‘out there’ topic. It will be nice to be in conversation with him outside the inflamed intensity of Love Wins and his Mars Hill departure.

I am nervous about something however. Admittedly, I might be the only one.  I even asked Peter Rollins this question at our live show with Pete & Rob two weeks ago.

What if the book is mis-titled? What if it turns out in the end that it should have called “What we think about when we think about God?” and is more of a conceptual address?  What if Rob doesn’t talk about talking?

I know that I might be the only one thinking this – but as someone who takes Ricoeur, Gadamer, Wittgenstein, Lindbeck  - and in general the whole linguistic turn – seriously, I want to talk about the role that religious talk plays.
I want to talk about how God-talk functions. 

Thoughts on any of this? 
Different concerns?

Let me know. I’m interested. Just do me one favor: don’t be dismissive. 

 

 

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FrankMayo1
FrankMayo1 5pts

I agree. Recently I stood in a line to see Rob Bell at a book signing in Grand Rapids. Knowing that I would have only a brief window of opportunity I asked him the following question...

Clearly adults believers can and do take an amazing variety interpretations of scripture... But do you think it is possible to teach young children the stories of the Bible at an early age without locking them into ultra-literal understanding of the text? I asked this because when I lost my wife, who wasn't a believer, I had nightmares of her in Hell, not because I really believe in Hell, but because my emotional response was formed as a young child in Bible class and I think there are millions of people who have had a similar experience which is why Love Wins was so important.

I understand people do not attend church, even one like Mars Hill to hear the gospel updated with the latest scientific references, even by a prominent scientist and Christian like John Polkinghorne. And yes updating just what original sin means in a world were the Garden of Eden isn't taken to be written as a literal account, is asking a lot of local parishes. But for better or worse this issue like so many other is being accepted as the voice of Christianity within the public space and combined with a militant nationalism it's growing louder because it has moved the agenda away from social issues and replaced them with a know nothing certainty that as one pastor put it, it may not be Jesus, but it is the Christianity we're struggling with.

MichaelDBobo
MichaelDBobo 5pts

I watched the live stream and wanted to pose one major concern I witnessed. Rob Bell is a charismatic genius in front of a crowd. However, his language and narrative style is problematic at times. I can't tell where he is coming from. After this one event, I'm even more puzzled. Does he want to suggest our talk about God is inaccurate or problematic? Does he want to pose a better way to talk about God? I have not read the book, but I think his style leaves more questions than answers. I agree we need to rethink our God language, but I can't determine Bell's positive contributions to how to talk about God. It seems more like a pointless venture in observation that doesn't deliver viable alternatives. Am I in a vacuum or does anyone else feel this tension?

TakingNextSteps
TakingNextSteps 5pts

 @MichaelDBobo I am less concerned with Rob's lack of "answers" but am worried as to the reason he doesn't seem to offer any up. I appreciate the questions Rob asks and the observations he makes. His vague nature allows more people to stay a part of the conversation for longer, which I am very grateful for. However, I fear that at some point his poetic stammer will lose favor and the conversation will end without progress. Progress is what I am seeking and what I hope Rob Bell aspires for also.

MichaelDBobo
MichaelDBobo 5pts

 @TakingNextSteps I think your use of "Progress" is my use of "answers." The gist I take from your remark is that we both see a need for more from Bell than we're getting. Is that fair?

iamstillrobdavis
iamstillrobdavis 5pts

 @MichaelDBobo  @TakingNextSteps I see Rob's popularity as a positive thing. He is moving the conversation in a positive direction. But, no one person can fully bring about the kind of shift that has already been happening and is needed. 

MichaelDBobo
MichaelDBobo 5pts

 @TakingNextSteps Agreed. So why is Rob Bell the best seller and Christian magnet? How does he get to share that blessing/burden? I'm always amazed and sickened by cults of personality. I suppose I should suspend judgment, but I've seen this story time and again.

TakingNextSteps
TakingNextSteps 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MichaelDBobo It is fair. But maybe we can not ask more from Rob than Rob has. Maybe Bell is the guy to ask the questions and you and I might the ones to fill in the blanks.

alfshawyer
alfshawyer 5pts

@theBoSanders @HomebrewedXnty @realrobbell im more nervous about the cult of personality, fantasy xanity, platforms, commoditization of god

JonnieR
JonnieR 5pts

Watching the trailer, it's definitely not about God-talk in and of itself, but offering a new way to conceptualize God in out lives... He got 'homebrew'ed.' All processy and immanent. I dig it, I just hope it's not the kind of thin soup that sets up a straw man version of the open God that evangelical big wigs can riddle full of chapter and verse arguments to where many will take them as a definitive defeat of the open, relational, and processy conceptions of God.  If it's formatted like Love Wins where basically three sentences fit on each page(!), I worry it will be a softball pitch for attackers.  Again, excited he's 'going there,' just worried about the viability of that conception of God for the massive amounts of people that will have the book and the slurry of responses as the extent of their processing this view, especially if the view is suspect for them to begin with.

TakingNextSteps
TakingNextSteps 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

His platform is far bigger than before. Love Wins was built in his church platform. This book will launch from his Love Wins platform. Everything else felt rushed by publishers. This feels like Rob Bell's doing.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @TakingNextSteps I'm glad to hear your optimism. We shall see.  Either way - happy he putting out good work!   -Bo 

iamstillrobdavis
iamstillrobdavis 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Bo, I'm not sure what you mean by saying "he is not shooting for a subject at the center," that "he is addressing a more peripheral, abstract, elusive or ‘out there’ topic"?

 

The center of what? As far as I can tell, his topic is very much at the center of the larger culture's conversations. But, maybe not as much within the walls of churches.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @iamstillrobdavis GREAT clarification.  So ... we talk about master signifiers around here. David Fitch was on a while ago and pointed out how Evangelicals (Bell's tribe) use master signifiers as boundary markers/ litmus tests. 

What I meant by my 'center' comment was that salvation/hell is a central one to that 'house' or 'branch of the family'. 

 

In Jesus Wants To Save Christians he addressed bigger issues to not much notice. Yes, the topic of 'God' is big in the culture ... but it is not a center-set thing like salvation is for the evangelical.   Does that help? 

 

Glad you wrote in.  -Bo 

iamstillrobdavis
iamstillrobdavis 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BoSanders Honestly, I think Bell has put himself outside of that tribe. Not sure what he would say about that at this point. 

iamstillrobdavis
iamstillrobdavis 5pts

 @BoSanders Boom! Now I'm picking up what you're throwing down. Sorry, I'm a bit slow. 

 

Trevin Wax is a pretty prominent Gospel Coalition blogger, and he's not impressed:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2013/03/12/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-rob-bell/

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @iamstillrobdavis I think you might be right ... but that is not my point. 

My point is that what CAuSed the ruckus around Love Wins is that his evangelical followers got a shot to the solarplexes by him A) coming out of the shadows theologically B) on an issue that mattered to them (unlike his previous book) 

Amber Fox
Amber Fox 5pts

Nothing to fear...it's a great book that allows for the unfolding mystery of life to be included in one's faith. As someone who has been on the journey back to Christianity for the past few years, this book is a great help.

Dan Swearengin
Dan Swearengin 5pts

I was nervous about his last book.....

bultmanniac
bultmanniac 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Not sure if I'm interested in Rob Bell's book as a Bible scholar, but I'm always interested in how god-talk functions.  But seeing that it's hard to think without words, I'd have to say the gap between thinking about God and talking about God is not that large.

Skyler Daniel
Skyler Daniel 5pts

I listened to Bell's livestream about the book, read your blog Bo, and read your blog, Zach. Bell's book sounds like an apologetic for the existence of Divine via the endless mystery of the universe that even science cannot penetrate, and then the need to shed dogma surrounding God to make God more accesible to rationally minded individuals. I'm sure its something physicists and philosophers alike could "tear apart", but I think it will be a real breath of fresh air for the populist audience he's writing for. It will probably be a step forward for many, not a step backwards, so I doubt there's anything to fear. Interesting thoughts Bo... and Zach, great post. I think I disagree with it. But I'll stew on that for a bit ;)

Isaac FL
Isaac FL 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I can see Rob Bell trying to explain the "concept" of God and what does that means, but probably this will open an avenue for talking about God. One thing I know, that God has to be at least as nice as Jesus ;)

 

bultmanniac
bultmanniac 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Isaac FL I would say God could be as nice as Jesus, but not always is.

Isaac FL
Isaac FL 5pts

 @bultmanniac I guess that's why we "need to know" what do we talk about when we talk about God, because if God is not as nice a Jesus and Jesus is the incarnation of God, the what do we talk about when we talk about God?

bultmanniac
bultmanniac 5pts

 @Isaac FL True, I wasn't really talking about God, just the God characters in the Scriptures.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Isaac FL Two good points :)  But as a theology nerd, I am more interested in the liguistic function of God-talk than I am in another conception based address !

After all I already have God: a guide for the perplexed by Keith Ward http://www.amazon.com/God-Guide-Perplexed-Keith-Ward/dp/1851689737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363137171&sr=8-1&keywords=god+keith+ward+perplexed  

 

... but I don't suppose many Evangelicals read that one ;)  -Bo 

Isaac FL
Isaac FL 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BoSanders I've been trying to find a "God for dummies" book I'm not sure if it has been wirtten :)

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @Isaac FL This the best thing I have found http://www.amazon.com/God-Guide-Perplexed-Keith-Ward/dp/1851689737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363220244&sr=8-1&keywords=god+perplexed+keith+ward 

trijov
trijov 5pts

@monastico oooo! Looks cool!

monastico
monastico 5pts

@trijov ...I'm all about religious language at the moment... so I've just ordered it and hope it lives up to expectations.

Steve Hackman
Steve Hackman 5pts

Just bought it and according to Kindle am 12% through it already

Susan Steele
Susan Steele 5pts

I just downloaded Rob's book. I have always appreciated his books and his point of view. I can't wait to read it. The title intrigues me. My group of friends and I spend lots of time talking about God with one another. We talk about how we think God is working in our lives, our joys, our doubts, the life to come and life now. We ponder about what God is up to in this life, and how Jesus fits into our personal journey. We often talk about how God is at workb with those others would consider "non-Christians". We frequently marvel the resurrected lives around us - when utter tragedy transforms our lives and we can still laugh, and cry, and think, and hope.

monastico
monastico 5pts

@theBoSanders ...oooh! Thank you for drawing my attention to this - religious language is a very juicy area as far as I'm concerned.

Mike Horn
Mike Horn 5pts

No I'm actually excited about it. I think Rob Bell rocks. I hope my evangelical friends don't see this post though haha

Zach Hoag
Zach Hoag 5pts

haha right on

Homebrewed Christianity
Homebrewed Christianity 5pts

Oh I saw that :p

Zach Hoag
Zach Hoag 5pts

Good stuff Bo. I expressed something similar (though a bit different) in a post about how Rob Bell is irrelevant: http://www.zhoag.com/2013/03/07/rob-bell-irrelevant/

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