It’s Not Mumford, It’s the Music Industry: Whiteness

I think a lot about issues of race, gender and class. I read about it and talk it over with people every week. I am working my way through an expensive program in order to write my dissertation about it.  I care about matters of diversity and justice a great deal. mumford_and_sons

Ever since talking to my mentor, Randy Woodley at Wild Goose West last fall I have been thinking about this a little differently. Then with the happenings of the Emergent Christianity thing in Memphis … I thought I would bring out what I have been whittling away at in my workshop.
This is something I am working on and I would love your constructive feedback. 

The problem isn’t Brian McLaren speaking at a conference.
The problem is if everyone speaking at the conference looks like McLaren.

The problem isn’t reading a book by a white guy.
The problem is only reading books by white guys.*

The problem isn’t having a man speak up front at church.
The problem is if we only hear men speak from up front at church.

You don’t even listen to podcasts! 

Here is what I want to avoid. There was some grumbling on facebook when The Culture Cast was released and it turned out that both Jordan and Christian were white guys. Ironically, almost all the grumbling came from white guys – but that is a different issue.

One female friend said “where are the women podcasters?”

I suggested that since it was a concern of hers … why didn’t she tell us some recommendations.  Why is she asking a question?

She responded that she didn’t listen to podcasts.

I was stunned.

I asked “then why do you care? What difference would it make to you?”

It would be like me complaining their aren’t enough black NACSAR drivers. I don’t watch NASCAR. I don’t even know how many black drivers there are. That reality is irrelevant to my existence.

I think that we need to care deeply about things that we are invested in. There are too many issues that matter for too much for us to get tangled in controversies vicariously.

 

We don’t except tokens.

We need to be careful of tokenism. Let me be clear on this: if you are group of white people who have organized a conference, already have 10 white speakers lined up and then think ‘we need some color – let’s see if we can get Randy Woodley’ … that is token.  Randy got no say in the direction and organization nor had any power or influence. You just want to put a microphone in his face and have him do his schtick.

Token is an afterthought that serves primarily to help one feel good about being able to check off a box. If Randy was on the organizing committee – trust me the no conference would look the same.

In contrast to ‘token’ let me offer 3 examples:

  • Anthony Smith is an emergent voice and influence. He was in the movement before me and helped bring me in. That is not token. That is influence. Anthony Smith is influential.
  • When Tripp and I organized the Emergent Village Theological Conversation we said “Monica Coleman is our marquee speaker, our cornerstone, our prima donna.” And we did not do anything until she agreed to be our first round draft pick. She got session 1 to start the conference to set the tone and she got session 5 to end the conference so that she had the final word. We built the conference around that structure. We then invited others to come in around her.
  • When we inherited the Phoenix Big-Tent Christianity event many of the speakers were already in place. It was great to have Richard Rohr, Marcus Borg and Brian McLaren to boost ticket sales. But we wanted to highlight some voices that people had not heard a lot before. So, for instance, we structured the actual sessions that one of the ‘marquee’ voices was asking questions of one of the ‘emerging’ voices. For many people, that was the first time they had heard of Rachel Held-Evans. I will never forget watching her debate Marcus Borg about church folks understanding of creation!

 

I’m with the band. 

Here is my big point:
The problem isn’t that Mumford and Sons are all white guys. We have to look at the way that bands form. It makes sense that the guys of Mumford connect and play.

The problem is if every band on the radio is white guys.

The problem isn’t that Bono is a white guy or that U2 are all white guys.

The problem is if every band on a record label is a bunch of white guys.

We have to learn to distinguish between how a band come together and how the music industry functions.

We also need to do this for church … and for christian conferences.

No conference or podcast is or can be the full expression of the kingdom on earth. It is not nor can it be heaven. It is not supposed to be. Like no band can play every type of music …

I understand our desire for diversity – I just want us to manage our expectations. Our problem isn’t with Mumford and Sons, it’s with the music industry.

The answer isn’t “add a black guy”.  That is not how bands work.
Can you imagine somebody saying “why doesn’t Boys 2 Men have a women in it?” or “why doesn’t Destiny’s Child get Ricky Martin to join?”

 

The problem then isn’t with any church, podcast, organization, conference or person. Our concern is with how that all comes together in a less-diverse way than we would hope for and desperately need. 

The answer then is not to ‘add a women and stir’ or to ‘get some color’. That is what we call token – and it is insulting to everyone involved.

The need is to examine the bigger picture. This includes how things are planned, who makes decisions, and in what ways can people access resources.

Here is a timely example: Tripp and I are singers and songwriters. Our friends Callid Keefe-Perry and Steve Knight are as concerned about the impact of technology on the church as we are. We have talking about  it whenever we are together. We started this when we lived in 4 different parts of the country. Tomorrow, Steve Night is in town and we are going to record a podcast about the subject.

That is not a problem. We are Mumford, or U2, or The Stones, or the Beatles … we are just a band.
It is not a problem that we sing together – or in this case talk together. The problem comes if we are the only ones you hear.

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*If you find yourself in this situation, here are some books suggestions

Quest for the Living God by Elizabeth Johnson

Christ the Key by Catherine Tanner

Teaching Community by bell hooks

Shalom and the Community of Creation by Randy Woodley

Many Colors or The Next Evangelicalism by Soong Chan-Rah

Triune Atonement: Christ’s Healing for Sinners, Victims, and the Whole Creation by Andrew Sung Park

 

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105 comments
solar savings
solar savings

Hey, thanks for the blog post.Much thanks afresh. Awesome.

Kopa hemsida
Kopa hemsida

wow, awesome article.Really looking forward to read more. Awesome.

unseeneternity
unseeneternity

@priestlygoth love this one, thanks for sharing!

zlind76
zlind76

@trippfuller @theBoSanders maybe most of the bands you listen to are white? music industry is incredibly diverse.

zlind76
zlind76

@trippfuller @theBoSanders if the music industry = alternative/indie/rock then yeah, mostly white. but that's not the case.

manofthemoors
manofthemoors

@zlind76 @trippfuller @thebosanders totally agree!!!

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @trippfuller it's just an analogy. There is lots of diversity ... Just not IN Mumford, boys 2 men or destiny's child

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@wierz @trippfuller WHoa! Why is that working? How did you do that?

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders @trippfuller nor in home-brewed christianity podcast….

wierz
wierz

@theBoSanders @trippfuller the post is there. To me it seems that a missing or broken wrapper is keeping it from loading. Where do you edit?

zacworkun
zacworkun

@trippfuller @walrusmuse @zlind76 @theBoSanders @WildGooseFest on it lets packet it ;)

zacworkun
zacworkun

@walrusmuse @zlind76 @theBoSanders @trippfuller Lana del ray sanders ? The Ra-Monica Colemans

trippfuller
trippfuller

@walrusmuse @zlind76 @zacworkun @theBoSanders it sounds like a concept album to be released at @WildGooseFest

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @zacworkun @theBoSanders @trippfuller Whitehead Rabbits? Alfred North Eat World?

zlind76
zlind76

@zacworkun @walrusmuse @theBoSanders @trippfuller post-hardcore process rock.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zacworkun @trippfuller @zlind76 @theBoSanders hahahaha

zacworkun
zacworkun

@trippfuller @walrusmuse @zlind76 @theBoSanders but #toomuchtoexplainhere

zacworkun
zacworkun

@trippfuller @walrusmuse @zlind76 @theBoSanders I am late to the discussion but I think labels are crumbling empires- music is what you find

trippfuller
trippfuller

@zacworkun @walrusmuse @zlind76 @theBoSanders that sounds amazing

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @walrusmuse I wonder if article would read different now that you know I was A) being positive & B) not calling industry white ;)

zacworkun
zacworkun

@walrusmuse @zlind76 i think @theBoSanders and @trippfuller just want more #process music

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @walrusmuse Zach - I just went back to article. I said it would be a problem is whole industry was white. Not that it was...

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders hahaha for sure. And does reading James Cone = me listening to De La Soul?

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@walrusmuse @zlind76 Watched the Grammys 2 weeks ago. Increadibly diverse. But each act/band may not be. That is better than expecting ...

zlind76
zlind76

@walrusmuse @theBoSanders yes. "Music I listen to" is not equal to "the music industry".

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders …widely varying levels of diversity. HBC could do a number on diversity in CCM-Worship sub…sigh

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders yep 10-4 here also-again sorry to butt in. I see mostly worship sub-industry, Zach sees main industry-so…

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@theBoSanders @zlind76 …and Bo you guys have recently been calling that out more and more-a good thing.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@theBoSanders @zlind76 Bo that’s fair-but by that stripe, the western theology world has been Mumford since…Aquinas?…

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders @walrusmuse ok 10-4. You're "all the music in the radio is white" remark threw me. Obviously far from reality!

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 my point is we need to move that direction:) Instead of what we do now - expect every micro to represent the macro.

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @walrusmuse I'm using it positive :) I'm that HBC is Mumford. and that's a good thing. We r just 1 band not the whole industry

zlind76
zlind76

@walrusmuse @theBoSanders but the music world is so much more diverse than xtian podcasting/conferences, it renders the analogy worthless.

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @walrusmuse is the confusion because you thought I meant it negative? You're making all my same points ... but saying it's bad anlg

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@theBoSanders @zlind76 hahaha we prob all getting to same point just running out of damn characters!

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders point being maybe industry does the reforming (are we reformed now??!) by showing tension in our “post racial” claims

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @walrusmuse Positive! I'm saying there is Mumford, Boys 2 men, Destiny's Child, Cold Specks, U2. Not diverse IN group but IN indsry

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders absolutely, & depending on how -prophetic- one thinks the music world can be-it perhaps should be a bit more diverse

zlind76
zlind76

@walrusmuse @theBoSanders sure but how is that cause to reform the industry? The real issue is diversity in society as a whole.

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders (sorry to butt in)

walrusmuse
walrusmuse

@zlind76 @theBoSanders perhaps it’s that the industry is diverse (I’m with Zach here) but consumption of industry breaks into monocultures

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders are you using the music industry as a positive or negative example? I get your point. Just confused by the analogy.

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders in what industry? podcasting? the music industry is just a bad analogy. probably most diverse industry that exists.

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 we don't need diversity WITHIN every band - but we do in the industry as a whole.

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 Because of how bands come together no one's complaining that there's not a black woman in Mumford or a white guy in Destiny's Child

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 you are actually making my exact point. We are saying the exact same thing! That IS my point.

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders the music industry doesn't create bands/artists. it responds and markets bands that form organically.

zlind76
zlind76

@theBoSanders @trippfuller i read the article and i think the poor analogy, for me, distracted me from whatever point you were making. ;)

theBoSanders
theBoSanders

@zlind76 @trippfuller did you read the article? That's my point ;) we are a band. We are not the industry