• Home
  • About
  • Podcast Archive
  • Subscribe (RSS)
  • Subscribe (iTunes)
  • Deacons
  • Live Events
  • Advertise With Us

Homebrewed Christianity

Equipping grassroots theologians for creative thinking, engaging, and living.

Living the Questions

You are here: Home / living / conversations / Day 5: Devotion and Distilled Friendship

Day 5: Devotion and Distilled Friendship

February 20, 2013 by Bo Sanders 7 Comments

I was an evangelist. Today, I still lead people to christ … but to be an evangelist is something very specific.Neighbors & Wisemen

It’s like being a missionary – only you don’t have to learn another language.

You spend all of your waking hours thinking about how to get people over the line.

You rarely have real conversations with people, because what you are really interested in getting them to cross the threshold. 

 

I had a friendship very similar to the one Tony talks about in this chapter. I was, like Tony, in my early 20′s, and I was sold out, on fire, fired up, committed to the core and a whole bunch of other things. I was working on a construction site as a painter and I struck up a friendship with a guy who’s family was from a different country.

It was a great friendship. We talked daily and ate many meals together. He was technically of another religion but in reality he was of no religion. He participated in his family’s rituals and observances but it was more cultural than anything. He didn’t believe. That is not me putting that on him – he would say that often and loudly.

Then something happened. Through our talks and the gentle prodding of god’s holy spirit my friend’s heart changed. He came to believe. I had the honor of praying him in (as we called) and he stated a new life with god. It was very exciting.

Please understand. I am not being the least bit sarcastic. It was very exciting. It is still very exciting. When I get to pray with someone to start a new relationship with god, I am pumped. When someone turns from their old ways, I rejoice. When someone pledges to be in community and begin living a new way, I am thrilled to the core of my being.

Admittedly two things are different now than when I was in my early 20′s:

  •  I learned that having the agenda to get people over the line is not true friendship.

I know that evangelists will say that it is the highest form of friendship. But the truth is that it feels more multi-level marketing or a pyramid scheme than it does a true friendship. You are not there to soak in somebody’s presence or to experience their full participation in your life and story. You are up to something.

  • I learned that there may not even be a threshold or line.

Over the years of getting people to “pray to receive christ” I have watched dozens and dozens of people who prayed to be ‘in’ have trouble getting out of their old life and ways. I have watched people who had not prayed the prayer yet clearly in a new relationship with god.

I grew suspicious that maybe there is no line per se. Or that it isn’t as clear a demarkation as I was led to believe.

I found it interesting last week that one of my mentors in evangelism emailed me a post from Scot McKnight where Scot is wrestling with “threshold evangelism”   [here is a link to that article]

Here is where it became real for me: in that friendship that I mentioned earlier, we hit speedbump. Once he was in our friendship changed. Some of it was very good. But there came a day when he was telling my about the political and religious conflict in his home country and I, in my youthful naiveté, insisted that it had nothing to do with the true and living god.
I had over extended myself. I got exposed as a zelous young man who had read a lot of Josh McDowell and Ravi Zacharias books but who had a shallow understanding of the world and was interested really in only one thing: getting people to pray a prayer.
I was not there for my friend. I was not fully entering into his story and walking with him in his deep heart. I had an agenda … and it got exposed.

I would be interested in your thoughts about true friendship and agendas – evangelistic or otherwise. 

 

  • Share on Facebook.
  • Share on Twitter.
Filed Under: conversations, latest Tagged With: Bible, book, conversion, evangelism, God, jesus, Josh McDowell, Kriz, prayer, threshold
6 comments
  Livefyre
  • Get Livefyre
  • FAQ
Sign in
+ Follow
Post comment
 
Link
Newest | Oldest
shawn andrews
shawn andrews 5pts

It's been years since I used the hard sell model, and I never used it on someone I wasn't already in relationship with. Regardless, this still conjures up regret for me. Funny how it felt wrong all along, but I was guilted into living this way. I almost wonder if I have swung too far the other direction...great post.

sean muldowney
sean muldowney 5pts

This is a deeply, deeply meaningful post for me. 

charis9
charis9 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Reading Mark's reply I am reminded of something I wish I had stated earlier.I mean no offence at all, but I have a personal aversion to the word 'leader' in a Christian context,as well as words associated with it such as 'lead'.Again, I apologize if I offend you, it is just something that really makes me cringe when I encounter those terms... . I would say that we show people the way to Christ through our love and actions, not by evangelizing... Charis

MarkCEdwards
MarkCEdwards 5pts

Do the ends really justify the means in evangelism?  “Friendship evangelism” and many of the campus evangelism strategies are just bait and switch models.  They must clearly feel that their ends do justify their disingenuous means.

 

Friendship evangelism is a misnomer for most.  The reality is that socially, there are only so many pegs on our Lego.  Once our Legos is full, we really don’t have the time or need for another real friend.  Many of our acquaintances remain just that.  Chances are good that anyone we attempt to evangelize will remain an acquaintance.  How many of those people you lead to Christ do you now consider real friends, Bo, ones you choose to spend your time with?  I guess we can be caring and respectful when we evangelize, but we just need to be genuine about the nature of the relationship.

kenalto9
kenalto9 5pts

I really enjoyed the part in this chapter where Tony honors Luli's courage in stepping out of his own faith to learn about Jesus, and that Tony now sees Luli as continuing to love Jesus even if he cannot call himself Christian. How many parents do I know who consider themselves failures because their kids no longer come to church? Why can we not view those kids as bravely exploring the world they live in? 

 

Slightly unrelated parable about agendas: Our church has a soup kitchen. One of the most amazing things about it is that many people who serve at the soup kitchen do not belong to our church. Many don't belong to any church. Yet our kitchen and hall are able to feed a hundred and fifty people or so every week - it is a wonderful way that our community connects with our wider community. When members of the church come volunteer for the first time two things really stand out for them:

1) We don't ask anyone to pray before they eat - people are there to talk to if people have prayer or spiritual things on their minds, but that is for the people we serve to decide not us.

2)People get served restaurant style, not cafeteria style.It is a real eye-opener to first time volunteers that they walk up to someone and offer what we have to share rather than have someone else come to them and express their need.

 

Many years ago I went to a 12 step meeting for the first time. I was surprised to see several people there who I recognized from my daily life in that town - one worked in a bookstore, another had coffee every morning at a cafe where I sometimes had breakfast, others I would meet at the grocery store or post office...they had always struck me somehow as interesting people, but I had never gotten to know them.To paraphrase one of the opening statements of the meeting: "If you want what we have to offer, then you may be ready to take certain steps...."     

 

Tony also had me on the edge of my seat when he sits down with Luli to study for the first time then realizes he has to honor Luli by not letting his previous feelings lead him into manipulating the situation.

 

Wordplay on the vernacular: We often tell other people "My way or the highway," when we should be asking ourselves "My way or Thy way."

 

 

 

charis9
charis9 5pts

The Evamgrlist will assume a line of demarcation where no line should exist, and when he draws this line, he becomes both judge and jury when his only role should be one of loving brother.. The kingdom of God perhaps insists that we move beyond the limitations that our past experience and prior education (even theological) impose upon us.... I have been working on the concept of repentence recently and am amazed that in all my years in church, the word was not defined and taught in its full context. Hopefully, I can move on... Charis

Trackbacks

  1. Lent Blog for Neighbors and Wisemen says:
    March 5, 2013 at 10:46 am

    [...] Day 5: Devotion and Distilled Friendship [...]

Search

Subscribe via iTunes

 


Support the brew

Return to top of page

Copyright © 2013 ·Delicious Theme on Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in