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When did America become like God? or Who would die for their country?

January 11, 2013 by Bo Sanders 18 Comments

Charles Taylor, in his book Modern Social Imaginaries,  utilizes the term ‘social imaginary’ to refer to god-like capacity described by Benedict Anderson in Imagined Communities.  The term encompasses a threefold meaning:

  • First is the way that ordinary people “imagine” their surroundings in images, stories, and legends.
  • Second is the general acceptance and participation in the imaginary by a population and not simply the theories dominated by a small elite.
  • Third is empowerment provided from the imaginary for widely shared practices – and a sense of legitimization.[1]

One impact of this capacity to conceptualize national identity and belonging is in answer to the question “what would make someone be willing to die for their country?”

Anderson proposes a model of historic drift where sovereignty, which had previously been located in either religion or king (or both), has shifted decisively to the Nation in recent centuries. This is a dramatic innovation and recognizing nationality as a valid location for sovereignty has significantly altered matters related to loyalty, sacrifice and belonging.

Anderson proposes a definition of the nation as “an imagined political community – and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign.” The distinction as imagined comes because “the members of even the smallest nation will never know most of their fellow-members, meet them, or even hear of them”.

Communities are limited because there must be some distinguishing demarcation outside of which are other communities (nations), which provide both competition and opportunities for cooperation. This distinction provides a vital function as classifications for the project of establishing communities.

Communities are imagined as sovereign “because the concept was born in an age in which Enlightenment and Revolution were destroying the legitimacy of the divinely-ordained, hierarchical dynastic realm.” [2]
The dissolving social order of caste and class provided more level (if desperately unequal in reality) conception of both membership and participation for the mass of the population. This perceived leveling and opening gave rise to a new capacity for sacrifice on behalf of the imagined entity – an entity that was not solely and externally located in eternity or beyond, but in an ideal which one was associated (belonged) and participated and was thus responsible. To die for a religion (God) or a King was to reinforce that social order which established the hierarchical strata. Locating sovereignty within the conception of Nation – however dispersed and elusive – was a profound change.

In 1922 Carl Schmitt wrote his famous work Political Theology: Four Chapters on the Concept of Sovereignty and claims  that

“all significant concepts of the modern theory of the state are secularized theological concepts.”[3]

In 2011 Paul Kahn wrote an engagement of Schmitt’s work with four new chapters on the same subject where he says that the capacity for the state to ask for this kind of sacrifices, the power to pardon – which is a remnant of Kingly authority, and the symbolic notion of a flag that needed to be defended are all remnants of a religious notion. The very word sovereign is borrowed from religious vocabulary.  Kahn explains:

Political theology today is best thought of as an effort to describe the social imaginary … (arguing) that secularization, as the displacement of the sacred from the world of experience, never won, even though the church may have lost. The politics of the modern nation-state indeed rejected the church but simultaneously offered a new site of sacred experience.[4]

You can begin to see why the constitution is often thought of and talked about as an inspired document (sacred text) and why those who were responsible for it’s creation (founding fathers) are celebrated at patriarchs.[5]  If Schmitt is right – even partially – then all of these similarities are neither trivial nor inconsequential.

The power of the state to ask for death in order to preserve itself and the capacity of people to willingly offer their lives in defense of that conception is profound. The notion of the sovereign holding the power of exception goes all the way from the individual being pardoned (as referenced earlier) to modern realities impacting all of humanity. The President has the ability to launch nuclear weapons if the President was to view that the national interest was in jeopardy.

Kahn uses this to illustrate his point. What are we saying about the nation that we are willing to jeopardize human heath, the planet, and subsequent generations for its defense? What could possibly be above human health and planetary environmental conditions? The answer is ‘only something that is of ultimate concern’. 
The modern conception of the state is thus a result of religious conceptions and has replaced (in some sense) religion as the location of sovereignty one is willing to ultimately sacrifice and die for. Nation is a construct of transcendent meaning found in an imagined community.[6]

Now this is where it gets really interesting! 

Arjun Appadurai, in Modernity at Large interacts with Anderson and observes that:

Modern nationalisms involve communities of citizens in the territorially defined nation-state who share collective experience, not of face-to-face contact or common subordination to a royal person, but of reading texts together.[8]

Much of the rhetorical energies of the ruling powers are used in order to urge “their subjects to give up … primordial loyalties – to family, tribe, caste, and region” for the “fragile abstractions” called nations which are often “multiethnic … tenuous collective projects”.[9]

Only within the power of national imaginaries can one see the possibility of such a monument as a tomb left intentionally empty or holding the remains of an unidentified combatant. Anderson points out the absurdity of “a Tomb of the Unknown Marxist or a cenotaph for fallen Liberals.”[10]  There is no reserve of belonging that would justify such a display. It would hold little value outside the context of national identity.

And that is how the sausage called nationalism is made!  I would love to hear your thoughts.  



[1] Taylor, Modern Social Imaginaries, 23.

[2] Anderson, Imagined Communities, 8.

[3] Paul W. Kahn, Political Theology: Four New Chapters on the Concept of Sovereignty, location 37.

[4] Ibid., 360.

[5] CBC Ideas podcast  ’The Myth of Secularism’ part 5

[6] It is not difficult within this framing to view contemporary movements such as the Tea Party as merely an extreme example of a group calling for a romanticized notion of an imagined past or legacy.

[7] Anderson, Imagined Communities, 8.

[8] Arjun Appadurai, Modernity At Large: Cultural Dimensions of Globalization, 161.

[9] Ibid., 162.

[10] Anderson, Imagined Communities, 10.

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willhouk
willhouk 5pts

 @BoSanders So, I saw a post on a friend's Facebook concerning guns. It was a link to an article that is pretty out there, but a bunch of conservative Evangelicals were all about. It ties into this article well, how we glorify the founding fathers to the point that their quotes are treated as scripture. It's a horribly written article, but sadly enough it represents the views of a lot of people.

 

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

willhouk
willhouk 5pts

The conversation reminded me of this Anti Flag song, "Die For Your Government."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkANvtxLoY

willhouk
willhouk 5pts

It is fascinating that people would accept and perpetuate the idea that dying for your country is a noble cause. It is even more fascinating that the concept of "nation" goes largely unquestioned by most people. I have never thought of the nation-state in these terms before, I've questioned the legitimacy of it, but never in this context. The power of the president of the United States to kill with conventional (odd term) or nuclear weapons is rather astounding. There is a twitter feed called Dronestream you're probably familiar with it, here's a link if you're not: https://twitter.com/dronestream We are constantly killing people on a day to day basis. It's insane that anyone would have this amount of power. But you're right the President is the sovereign and he holds life and death in his hands, and we've given him God-like authority.

jb00m
jb00m 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Ernst Cassirer's Myth of the State, makes a similar point to "state concepts are secularized theological concepts". Though, because for Cassirer the various symbolic forms are intimately related, it can be difficult to separate the mythic from the religious elements. And I suppose that's why state myths have such power

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @jb00m Thanks for the recommendations!  I will look into them :)  -Bo 

joshuawalters
joshuawalters 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I can't help but get excited that this resonates with the very issues of the biblical narrative (e.g. idolatry, false gods, false empires, etc.). Secondly, I used to work with a Navy vet who always said that men don't die for their nation but for their buddies in the fox hole. I find this an interesting case study for your post as it speaks to the relation between transcendent/immanent. On the one hand, it confirms the power of the social imaginary to dictate immanent events. On the other hand, the immanent events may(?) offer a critique of the presupposed social imaginary.  What would you say to that example of a soldier who "really" dies for his buddies, not the nation?

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @joshuawalters It it possible the those soldiers who die 'for their buddies' are imbedded within an narrative that they are unaware of?  That they are playing out a theme that is greater than their immediate concern? 

-Bo  

joshuawalters
joshuawalters 5pts

 @BoSanders Absolutely, Bo. I think this is, in fact, what happens. But I guess what still fascinates me is how moments of "revelation" can and do occur from within the narrative - even when we are unaware. Despite all its power to blind and manipulate us, the narrative of the nation will always find critique from another embedded narrative: the Imago Dei. 

Jesse Turri
Jesse Turri 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Holy Cow Bo! I'm glad your course work is done and that you're back blogging again. Great post!

 

This line says it all "Nation is a construct of transcendent meaning found in an imagined community."

 

Just imagine if we applied those "secularized theological concepts" to the entire Earth instead of just the nation state. Oh but then we'd probably have to deal with differentiating ourselves form Klingons and stuff...Oh this cycle never ends! LOL!

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @pluralform OH those pesky Klingons!    But yeah, if nation is a) a construct b) of transcendent meaning c) found in an imagined community ...  we are dealing with a whole different animal with those who think that the constitution is inspired (and now infallible) -Bo 

Jesse Turri
Jesse Turri 5pts

 @BoSanders  Yeah, this reminds me of Richard Beck's "orthodox alexithymia." When the pursuit of correct and right belief, become decoupled from emotion, empathy, and fellow-feeling, we have a situation that looks a lot like sociopathy.

 

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2012/05/orthodox-alexithymia.html

JanG
JanG 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

A question that comes to my mind is this: when and how did it become possible to shift loyalties from a liege lord and a fiefdom to an entity so huge and abstract that most people wouldn't comprehend it?  For example, after Alexander the Great conquered huge swaths of land, where did loyalties lie after the armies left?  In Alexander himself, or in those who governed a smaller bit of land -- a ruler who could be seen and known directly?  (I say this thinking there's a difference between obedience to someone who assumes the power of life and death over the governed and those who actually command loyalty.)

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @JanG I get what you are asking.  And that is a fascinating topic too!  My concern here is when we moved beyond loyalty-to-royalty and to a greater abstraction called Nation.  Several of the authors that I read pointed to the invention of the printed text.   It is a shocking examination that I had not considered before.  -Bo 

ngilmour
ngilmour 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Interesting sources.  I still need to read Taylor, though it's interesting that the 20th-century rhetoricians Kenneth Burke and Richard Weaver arrived at similar analyses of the nation and of "freedom" as a concept as the "ultimate terms" or "god-terms" of the post-WWII West. 

 

Weaver's brief essay "Ultimate Terms in Contemporary Rhetoric" does a nice job of demonstrating that every rhetorical moment has those things greater than which no speaker can appeal: once one demonstrates that a killing or a dying is "for freedom," the discussion is over.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @ngilmour oh wow. That is intense!  I will look into it :) thanks for the resource-recommend -Bo 

ngilmour
ngilmour 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @BoSanders One more thing that I'd forgotten: Weaver also notes the irony (in the fifties, no less) that, more often than not, those whose rhetoric would advocate wars for the cause of "freedom" more often than not evacuate the content of "liberty" as the Romans or even John Locke would understand it, turning wars for "freedom" into wars to perpetuate current forms of un-freedom.

Jesse Turri
Jesse Turri 5pts

 @ngilmour  @BoSanders Ooo, interesting. DeBrabander's uses this same idea in his NYT piece on gun control. Same idea, namely the freest societies are those that are unarmed, because guns transform the bearer and end the conversation in some fundamental way, basically shutting free speech down.

 

Check it out if you haven't read it: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/the-freedom-of-an-armed-society/

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @ngilmour whoa.  yikes - that is amazing.  That settles it, now I have to read Weaver. -Bo 

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