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The Trouble with This Week’s Texts (Baptism Sunday)

January 7, 2013 by Bo Sanders 19 Comments

In the TNT that will come out later today, Tripp and I talk about how he would love to start a Lectio-Cast with a Biblical Scholar.  Since I am only 2 years into my use of the lectionary, I often look a couple of weeks ahead and think ‘I wonder how preachers in Mainline circles are going to handle that?” 

It’s a funny situation – I preached every weekend in an Evangelical church for 11 years. I am very familiar with how I would have handled a lectionary text  - which we didn’t have – in an environment that I am no longer in!  I neither preach every weekend nor am I in that familiar setting.  It really is a foreign feeling!

I looked at the texts for this upcoming weekend of January 13 and I thought to myself, “There seems to be a major issue with each of the 4 selections. I wonder how the deacons are/would approach them?”

January 13, 2013 [White] Baptism of the Lord First Sunday after the Epiphany :
Isaiah 43:1-7
Psalm 29
Acts 8:14-17
Luke 3:15-17, 21-22

Here then are the 4 texts and after each I will express my concern, I would love to hear your thoughts! 

Isaiah 43:1-7 But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you. Because you are precious in my sight, and honored, and I love you, I give people in return for you, nations in exchange for your life. Do not fear, for I am with you; I will bring your offspring from the east, and from the west I will gather you; I will say to the north, “Give them up,” and to the south, “Do not withhold; bring my sons from far away and my daughters from the end of the earth– everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”

  • When I hear passages like this, I cringe at how it could easily be taken with a Zionist flair. Do you dare not mention the present problems in the Israel-Palestine conflict?  I don’t know how you wouldn’t.

Psalm 29 Ascribe to the LORD, O heavenly beings, ascribe to the LORD glory and strength. Ascribe to the LORD the glory of his name; worship the LORD in holy splendor. The voice of the LORD is over the waters; the God of glory thunders, the LORD, over mighty waters. The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty. The voice of the LORD breaks the cedars; the LORD breaks the cedars of Lebanon. He makes Lebanon skip like a calf, and Sirion like a young wild ox. The voice of the LORD flashes forth flames of fire. The voice of the LORD shakes the wilderness; the LORD shakes the wilderness of Kadesh. The voice of the LORD causes the oaks to whirl, and strips the forest bare; and in his temple all say, “Glory!” The LORD sits enthroned over the flood; the LORD sits enthroned as king forever. May the LORD give strength to his people! May the LORD bless his people with peace!

  • These are the kind of anthropomorphic – personification texts that I hesitate to address now. It’s not that I am afraid of them, it’s that I want to honor them and their initial intent. I don’t want to speak against this antiquated imagery. I want to let the word of the Lord be heard… but really?  Breaking trees and King imagery?  It seems like everyone BUT the Bible quoting church has moved on from this kind of thing. We stick to 3,000 year old word pictures / poetry and … no wonder we seem kind of irrelevant to our contemporary audience.

Acts 8:14-17 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. The two went down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit (for as yet the Spirit had not come upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus). Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

  • Now,  I know exactly what I would have done with this text  5 years ago! We would have a time at the end of the service for those who wanted to receive the Holy Spirit to come forward. We would lay hands on and pray for them.  That is easy application!  But what are Mainliners going to say about this text next weekend?  I am truly curious!

Luke 3:15-17, 21-22 As the people were filled with expectation, and all were questioning in their hearts concerning John, whether he might be the Messiah, John answered all of them by saying, “I baptize you with water; but one who is more powerful than I is coming; I am not worthy to untie the thong of his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his granary; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my Son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased.”

  • I got a similar one last year! What do we do with that dove? I said that Holy Spirit descended as a dove descends (gently) not AS a dove! But do we continue to say “a dove descended and people somehow knew it was Holy Spirit presence?” or that the  spirit of God took on the form of a dove?  or … I’m not sure what value it has to insist that something miraculous happened – the kind of thing that no one in the room has ever seen – just to be ‘faithful’ … without dealing with the hermeneutics a little bit.

So there is what I see as the trouble with this week’s texts.  I checked out ‘Year B’ and they are no better. I would love your thoughts.

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Mark Farmer
Mark Farmer 5pts

Bo, Amos 9:7 says the opposite of Isaiah 43. Amos emphasizes that Israel is no different in God's eyes that Ethiopia, Aram, or the Philistines. Another example of how the Bible itself teaches us not to latch onto one passage and take it literally. Sorry this is too late for this morning's sermon, but the texts will come around again in 2016! :-)

kenalto9
kenalto9 5pts

also excited to hear about potential lectionary-cast. as a lay preacher in a mainline church I always feel a great tension between saying the traditional thing and trying to stretch into a more contemporary/process view of the texts. when my sermons do work, they somehow take off from what I have learned about the texts and bring in a personal dimension that resonates within our small congregation. the OT texts are often the ones that inspire me most, because they reach further back into the tradition - I often think of Abraham as meeting and talking to God before there was religion - not true of course, but his relationship with God precedes Judaism, Christianity and Islam - which is a fair ways back in my mind.

OfDustAndKings
OfDustAndKings 5pts

As a United Methodist pastor, I know that my emphasis with the Holy Spirit in Samaria would emphasize how God tears down walls. It parallels Jesus commission in Acts 1, which flows from Jerusalem, to Judea, to Samaria, to the ends of the earth. It falls right between the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, which included the gathering of the Jews from the surrounding region. After Pentecost these Jews would return home, leaving us with Jerusalem and Judea. The here, Philip goes to Samaria and, when word reaches Jerusalem, the apostles were sent. Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria. The next thing we read is of the Ethiopian eunuch, again preached to by Philip. Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth. God is pouring himself out on the outcasts. ...are you? That would be my approach. And, I would not be amiss with laying hands on parishioners for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, though this would be different than a pentecostal approach in terms of expectations.

Cameron Horsburgh
Cameron Horsburgh 5pts

Textweek has a weekly podcast looking at the texts for the week. I've only listened to it a couple of times, and always after the relevant Sunday. The discussions are always insightful though. If you we're to start something similar I'd definitely have a listen!

danhauge
danhauge 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

My short initial reaction is more for the OT texts: For the Isaiah text, yes, it is unavoidable to at least address the current Israel/Palestine conflict, but I think a lot of insight can be gained from examining the original context of the passage (Israel in exile), and how it differs from the current context (Israel occupying another, less powerful people). While the idea of God 'giving up' nations through warfare is going to be tough no matter how you slice it, I think it is important to point out how God, in these texts, generally takes the 'side' of the party who is smaller and oppressed, and is 'against' the people who are more dominant and oppressing the weak, and Israel finds itself in both categories over the course of the OT. 

 

As for Ps 29, can't this be seen as the ultimate panentheistic statement? ;). Yes, the language speaks a lot of power, but can't that be affirmed as God's creative, persuasive power acting in and through even the most dramatic and awe-inspiring situations? Just trying to translate into the process idiom here. I think we can affirm the poetic power of these texts while putting a different spin on what we think the poetry is addressing. 

David Miller
David Miller 5pts

 @danhauge I once heard Krister Stendahl say that biblical texts crying out for vengeance or violence against "others" were written in the context of Israel being small and vulnerable.  Any contemporary interpretation, he said, by those of us who are part of the planet's dominant culture, which ignore that original context, do great violence to the text.

OfDustAndKings
OfDustAndKings 5pts

@David Miller @danhauge This is an excellent point, and one we often overlook. The majority of scripture - old AND new testaments - were written to and by a people in captivity, slavery, or under occupation. To read this from the viewpoint of the powerful misses contextual implications dramatically.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

WOW!  Way to bring the heat  @danhauge  Those are two excellent points. I really like that take on the Israel/Palestinian issue.   And I truelly appreciate the poetic take on God's creative power !   Thanks for the thoughts! 

steventfuller
steventfuller 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I'll be using the Luke text in youth Group Sunday night.  This year, we we went through the Exodus narrative in the fall and are now transitioning into the Gospel narrative in the Spring.  I've used "The Faithful Fire" as my central soteriological motif for this year, and this text fits perfectly.  God (Y---H) showed up in the fire in the bush to tell Moses God's name, in the pillar of fire to lead Israel through the wilderness, and in the fire on top of Mount Sinah to remake God's covenant with Israel through the Torah.  HERE, we see God showing up with fire again, bringing repentance and salvation with the JC.  And this text is EXTRA awesome because it says Jesus will baptize you with fire, which is very different than punishing someone with fire, meaning that Jesus will use the fire to redeem/purify/cleanse/renew your life/soul/heart as opposed to destroying it or punishing it.  Yours,

Brother Fuller

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @steventfuller I always like to talk about that refiner's fire v. destructive fire thing.  Love your take Brother Fuller.   -Bo 

Mark Farmer
Mark Farmer 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I try to let the Epiphany theme frame the texts. Israel saw God as appearing to them in mighty storms as well as in their great difficulties (fire and water). Christ's identity is revealed at his baptism, as is ours. And the "mystery" of the inclusion of the Gentiles from last Sunday's reading in Ephesians 3:1-12 turns Isaiah's words about Ethiopia (to which I have a special tie) on their head!

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @Mark Farmer See, that is the advantage of preaching every week :)  you get into a groove and have a momentum built up!   I really like your angle on this   -Bo 

Mark Farmer
Mark Farmer 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@BoSanders The idea of a "Lectionary-Cast" is interesting. I would definitely follow it.

Mark Farmer
Mark Farmer 5pts

Process and Faith has Bruce Epperly's thoughts on these texts: http://processandfaith.org/resources/lectionary-commentary/yearc/2013-01-13/baptism-jesus

MarkSimon1
MarkSimon1 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

After reading Brian McLaren's recent book (or at least a majority of it at this time), it was interesting to read how Brian wrote about how Paul and Jesus, when quoting the text of the Hebrew Bible, would leave out the words that were words of violence (or aggression). In essence picking and choosing the words of the Bible to point out the Way things had changed with the life and then the resurrection of Jesus. This was the first time I had noticed this (with the help of Brian) and it was fascinating. I have continually struggled with the violence of the OT, and maybe... just maybe Jesus did too.  Maybe this is a way for you to approach these text?

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MarkSimon1 Interesting. I will have to go back and look at that section of the book.  When it read it the first time, I wasn't thinking about this and thus did not file it under 'preaching' in my little brain ;)    Thanks for the thought!  -Bo 

ngilmour
ngilmour 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm not mainline, but I'm preaching the Isaiah text next Sunday, and I'm taking it allegorically as an oracle of comfort for the faithful more generally.  My initial thoughts are over at www.christianhumanist.org if anyone's interested in that.

BoSanders
BoSanders moderator 5pts

 @ngilmour I will look forward to checking that out!   -Bo   p.s.  do you preach every week? 

ngilmour
ngilmour 5pts

 @BoSanders Yes, and a good number of 'em are available for free on iTunes.  Search for "Athens Christian Church" if you're interested.

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