John Cobb & Tom Oord go Emerging with Jesus

4 generations ahead of me are Free Methodist pastors. Love John Cobb, and Tom Oord bridges the gaps for me when I get stuck. Great podcast!

dmf, I think that is so. I just finished RM (online at http://alfrednorthwhitehead.wwwhubs.com/ritm1.htm ), and the conclusion could have been used by Polkinghome in his talk ANW Alert! "It is thus passing with a slowness, inconceivable in our measures of time, to new creative conditions, amid which the physical world, as we at present know it, will be represented by a ripple barely to be distinguished from nonentity. The present type of order in the world has arisen from an unimaginable past, and it will find its grave in an unimaginable future. There remain the inexhaustible realm of abstract forms, and creativity, with its shifting character every determined afresh by its own creatures, and God, upon whose wisdom all forms of order depend." It's like deja vu!

that would tie in with the existential SK/Heidegger focus on sorge/care and as above "saturated" phenomena.

Throughout ANW's works, he peppers his thoughts with 'worth' - as in 'this experience is worth caring concern'. He really wants to assert that experience is valuable beyond an ordinary analysis. In RM he asserts that God's role is to sustain and increase worth/value in reality. I think this is why in PR he swung to the theistic pole of his former agnostic indefiniteness.

I don't know that phrase "world-loyalty" from Whitehead but as Polkinghorne is trying to imagine a faith that transcends not just the inevitable extinction of the biosphere but the very collapse of known existence this seems to go well beyond the kind of deep ecology suggested by quasi-heideggerians like Norman Wirzba. Perhaps reality-loyalty is what is meant?

Echoes of Whitegead are strong. At about 37 min, Polkinghome says something like 'people ask why should we think this is how it will be, but it's really a question of 'what kind of world do you think this is?' This resonates with what I am rediscovering in Alfie's RM where he insists religion requires a metaphysics, and that religion is world-loyalty.

revdr. polkinghorne on "a destiny beyond death" http://www.sms.cam.ac.uk/media/1191647

somewhere between Caputo's hermeneutics of not-knowing and Cobb's faith in our capacities for reason may lie something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfZhVz_fojg&feature=relmfu