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Was Jesus a Marxist?

August 16, 2011 by Tripp Fuller 13 Comments

 This is a guest post from my Jeremy Fackenthal. He is a fellow Claremont Phd, Baptist, and late night talking partner.  Be Ye Provoked!

 The last couple of weeks have been really outstanding for the system we call universal capitalism.  The US has a debt problem and lost its AAA credit rating, marking its decline in the world financial scheme, Italy has a debt problem, Greece has a very naughty debt problem, global markets are down, and people aren’t buying stuff they really don’t need.  This is not good news in a world where growth is the major indicator of a good economy, happiness, and evidently a pleasing sex-life.

I recently read Terry Eagleton’s latest book Why Marx Was Right, in which he takes the ten most popular critiques of Marxism and debunks them in order to show that Marx’s socialist theory remains a valid philosophical and economic option today, and one that might even be preferable to capitalism in the long run.  It seems that writing about socialism or espousing socialist ideals can still be risky business, even in a country where some deeply misguided people try to convince us that our government is already practically run by socialists.  In the past, ideas such as these even got some people killed–sometimes in the style of Roman crucifixion.  So I applaud Eagleton for unabashedly taking a stand for Marxism and for providing some very intriguing (and often quite witty) reflections on the history of Marxist thought and its relevance today.

There’s been a lot of talk recently about socialism versus free-market capitalism, and religion has not be absent from the conversation.  Sunday’s Washington Post faith section featured this excellent op-ed by describing the road from Christian socialism to Ayn Rand-style capitalism.  Given all this attention, I thought it might be interesting to blog through Eagleton’s book, chapter by chapter, noting some places where Marxism and the Gospel are perhaps not so far apart.  Eagleton’s book lends itself well to this task because it takes criticisms of Marxism and aims to prove the critics wrong.  In doing so, it provides a fairly easy-to-understand intro to Marx and socialist theory.

Eagleton’s first chapter combats the critique that Marxist thought is finished and out of date because we now live in a world of apparent social mobility  in which class is no longer an issue.  Oh, if only that were the case.  Eagleton’s main point in this chapter is that Marxism is a critique of capitalism, and so as long as capitalism is around to be critiqued, then Marxism still has a job to do.  Rather than Marxism outgrowing its use, many Marxists around the early 1980s simply gave in to overwhelming capitalist fervor.  And rather than classes disappearing due to social (upward) mobility, the rich became richer and the poor remained poor.  Eagleton gives some startling statistics, such as the World Bank’s figure that in 2001 more than 2.5 billion people in the world lived on less than $2 a day, and he points to capitalism’s role in the looming issue that will define the 21st century–climate change. 

Neither Eagleton nor I are naive enough to say that capitalism hasn’t brought about its fair share of fabulous advances.  I have an iPhone and can hardly imagine life without it.  I’m guessing Terry Eagleton does not, but I’d venture that he probably uses a computer and the internet, both products of capitalist advances.  Nevertheless, the fact that the gap between the rich and the poor, or even the rich and the middle class, continues to grow by leaps and bounds points to a drastic flaw in the notion that capitalism should be good for us all. 

Obviously Jesus wasn’t a Marxist, since Marx and the ideas he developed did not come about until 1800 years after Jesus’ death.  But it would be equally (if not more) anachronistic to say that Jesus liked free-market capitalism.  Jesus may not have read passages from Marx’s Captital in the synagogue, but he certainly wasn’t reading from Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman or Adam Smith either.  Instead, he read from the Hebrew prophets, and hence from folks who didn’t mince words but told it like it was.  In the end, justice prevails, and this especially includes economic justice.  Like Gregory Paul (see link to Washington Post op-ed above), I see the overwhelming trajectory of the Biblical narrative pointing toward economies in which justice prevails and not toward the type of economies in which a relative few amass great wealth at the expense of all the others.  Since this second type of economy is what we continue to live with, I agree with Eagleton that Marxism is not and cannot be dead and finished.  Likewise, social gospel style Biblical commentary cannot be dead and finished either.  Perhaps Jesus wasn’t a Marxist, but evidence points toward the idea that he favored just economics in which the rich give up their riches (Matthew 19:16) and the poor inherit the kingdom (Luke 6:20).

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Jeremy Fackenthal

Haha! Thanks for clearing that up, Sara.

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Deacon Sara

Jeremy I think what you meant to say was that you hate life, liberty, and freedom! Ohhh freedom = tons of private property

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Jeremy Fackenthal

Thanks, @Tripp. Let me be clear: Mao and Stalin distorted and twisted Marx's idea (or what they thought were Marx's ideas) into something they were never intended to be. Marx would have been sick if he had seen what Stalin and Mao had done. Since I never said I supported evil, violent regimes in any way (and by the way, neither did Marx), I'm going to comment on what I actually did say. I think that the spirit of Marx's philosophy that promotes sharing resources with those around you, and especially with those less fortunate, is quite similar to the message that Jesus taught. In this sense, I see the system that Marx himself actually described an advocated to be a promising means for ensure that everyone has the basic resources they need in order to survive as we move into the future. And yes, Terry Eagleton was raised as a Catholic, has written books on Christianity, ardently argues against the new atheists, and seems to know something about the message of Jesus as well.

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Tripp Fuller

@nate Pasolini's file was awesome. @john What did jeremy say that made you think he advocated violence? Now I know some Christians have managed to make Jesus mix with killing your enemy but I know Jeremy hasn't so I am not sure what got that response out of you. Equivocating a moral philosopher's (mis)appropriation by tyrannical governments is hardly a way to demonstrate more than one's own prepared dismissal. Couldn't one as easily say that America came from the mass genocide and exploitation of the native peoples, a violent revolt, a bloody civil war, etc...and today we are still the only ones to drop nukes...abu ghraib, water boarding, drone bombings? It just seems that how one political\economic system relates to the teachings of Jesus is hard to credit or discredit with how violent a country can get. There's a pretty big difference between Marx the philosopher and his criticism of capitalism and your historical examples. In fact the book Jeremy was reviewing was written for that purpose. I'm half way through it and it's pretty enjoyable even when irritating. I'm interested if you have a response to the content of his post, namely that Marx is closer to the teachings of Jesus than Ayn Rand. @Jeremy, you forgot to mention that Terry is actually a Christian too.

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John Klaassen

Deacon Sara should read: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Timothy+3:2&version=NIV1984. But you likely pick and choose what to believe from the Bible – to suit your itching ears. PHD Jeremy should read up on his history. Equivocating the free world to the atrocities of Marxist countries in the 20th century is ludicrous. 40-70 Million for China, 7 million for Russia. Not only is your perspective of history horribly misguided, so is your perspective of current events. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see you support that 9/11 was an inside job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong Nationwide political campaigns led by Mao, such as the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, are often considered catastrophic failures. While China's population almost doubled during the period of Mao's leadership[6] (from around 550 to over 900 million),[3][4] his rule from 1949 to 1976 is believed to have caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people.[7][8] Severe starvation during the Great Chinese Famine, mass suicide as a result of the Three-anti/five-anti campaigns, and political persecution during both the Anti-Rightist Movement and struggle sessions all resulted from these programs. His campaigns and their varying disastrous consequences are further blamed for damaging the culture and society of China, as historical relics were destroyed and religious sites were ransacked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism Repressions and famines occurring in the Soviet Union under the regime of Joseph Stalin described in the book include: • the executions of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922 (See also: Red Terror) • the Russian famine of 1921, which caused the death of 5 million people • the extermination and deportation of the Don Cossacks in 1920 • the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930 • the Great Purge which killed almost 690,000 people • the deportation of 2 million so-called "kulaks" from 1930 to 1932 These are evil regimes, supporting evil leaders, who followed Marxsim. My father fought against evil in the 20th century by putting his own life on the line. He taught me well of these atrocities, as well as did our churches and schools of the day. I am going to carry this on with my family so they will not be deceived by the likes of you. You have prepared your arguments against conservatives by reading radical books (referring to your suggestion that I should read the book) and sitting around drinking beer, but that certainly doesn’t make you right. In fact, you are both deceived and now also deceivers. You are on the wrong side. Have the courage to change before things escalate in this world. Otherwise you will wake up one day and be shocked at what you have done.

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Deacon Sara

Maybe John could read the book since he seems to be the target audience!

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Jeremy Fackenthal

Interestingly, Eagleton's chapter 2 responds to exactly this charge. Here's my favorite quote: "Marxists do not believe that the mighty liberal lineage from Thomas Jefferson to John Stuart Mill is annulled by the existence of CIA-run prisons for torturing Muslims, even though such prisons are part of the politics of today's liberal societies. Yet the critics of Marxism are rarely willing to concede that show trials and mass terror are no refutation of it." In other words - yes, Stalin and Mao certainly killed lots of innocent people. It seems like Capitalist countries/leaders have pretty much done the same (and still do).

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John klasssen

 "It seems that writing about socialism or espousing socialist ideals can still be risky business, even in a country where some deeply misguided people try to convince us that our government is already practically run by socialists.  In the past, ideas such as these even got some people killed–sometimes in the style of Roman crucifixion."  - I could not disagree more.  Let's look at the history of the 20th century and count the millions killed by Marxist countries.  Seems like The Brew is hopping up revisionist history.  Count me in with the misguided, proudly. I am personally discourage by what I believe to be a pattern if misguided theology by this ministry.

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Jeremy Fackenthal

I have not, but just looked it up on IMDB. I'll have to find a copy.

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Nate

Have you seen the Pasolini film on this topic? I'm pretty sure he was an atheist but the film is well done IMHO the best film on Christ (but I'm not religious so I haven't seen them all)

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Jeremy Fackenthal

Thanks for that clarification, Susan!

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Susan Phillips

I wouldn't put Adam Smith in the same category as Ayn Rand. Lots of folks know that Smith was the first to define a capitalist economic system in the early chapters of his 1776 "Wealth of Nations." Apparently, though, few have read the later chapters in which he describes how a purely capitalist system is unsustainable and will consume itself due simply to...human greed. He also said that neither the church nor the crown could hold it in check. The only force capable of holding a capitalist system in check is an educated populace. It is also worth noting that Adam Smith was not a professor of economics. Economics didn't exist as a field of study until he help create it. He was a professor of Moral Philosophy.

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