Tripp had a sweet idea to let you listen to two brief soundbites from our recent interviews with Tom Wright and Marcus Borg back to back, so you can let us know with whom you agree more on the resurrection. You don’t have to fall in line completely with either to vote, but vote and qualify it in the comments. The resurrection always raises a bunch of commitments, questions, and passions — just check Tony’s, Bruce’s, and Bob’s posts — so don’t forget these two Poll-O-pponents are friends!
The Resurrection: Borg or Wright? (Audio Poll!)
Marcus Borg, a “Novel” Jesus Scholar: Homebrewed Christianity 84
Marcus Borg, well-known for his work with the Jesus Seminar and author of nineteen books, many of them best-sellers, including The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions, co-authored by NT Wright, and three co-authored by John Dominic Crossan, The Last Week, The First Christmas, and The First Paul. Jesus: Uncovering the Life, Teachings and Relevance of a Religious Revolutionary was a New York Times Bestseller. Many of you have also probably read or heard of Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time and Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally. You have seen him on many national news programs. Today, he’s on your favorite podcast! Or, my favorite podcast at least.
I get Dr. Borg’s thoughts on:
Anne Rice leaving Christianity (check out episode 84)
the NYC mosque
Bart Ehrman (check out episode 50)
Luke Timothy Johnson
NT Wright (check out episode 79)
John Dominic Crossan (check out episodes 8 and 34)
Then we turn to his latest book, Putting Away Childish Things: A Tale of Modern Faith. With this one, he sets out in a new direction as a fiction writer, but is up front that the novel is didactic, a teaching novel. We discuss how different the creative process is for writing fiction versus non-fiction, and how much of himself is in the main character, a religion professor who challenges her students to think critically about what they’ve been taught about Christianity. He also talks about whether he will continue writing novels.
Oh, and Tripp and I announce a sweet new contest that you’ll really dig. You can leave your comments and theological jokes on the podcast hotline at 678-590-BREW and you might just hear your message on an upcoming episode.
The ultimate Homebrewed Christianity prize pack includes:
4 or 5 theology books. We arere talking Moltmann, Pannenberg, top notch theology.
2 cigars from Tripp’s world class humidor
Official Homebrewed Christianity homebrewed ale
Homebrewed Christianity stickers so you can spread the goodness
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If you are in Oakland or Portland there are some tasting parties next month where you can get the taste buds popping and for now you can order with the future wine club discount. I ordered Alecia some of their liquid goodness so when it arrives I will tell you all about it….or get Alecia too since I have been known to lack discriminating taste. Nonetheless let me go ahead and tell you that if you are in to supporting awesome people and drinking good wine then put your orders in and give this Deacon the HBC bump!!!
Islam and Christianity – is a clash of civilizations inevitable?
Keith Ward, who will be at Big Tent Christianity, has an amazing lecture on the so called ‘Clash of Civilizations’ between Islam and Christianity. Because I have heard enough ignorant and bigoted rhetoric coming out of Christians’ mouths I thought I would share this. Of course HBC Deacons would never say such things but your friends might so feel free to share some wisdom from Keith Ward, your friendly neighborhood Oxford theologian of world religions! Here are the last to paragraphs of his lecture but go here and get the entire transcript, video, or audio for download!!!! FREE! His books here.
There is no clash of civilisations between Christianity and Islam, because both faiths take on, and have historically taken on, the form of the civilisations in which they exist. In the process, they modify those civilisations to a greater or less extent, and one way in which they do so is by introducing belief in objective moral obligation and purpose into human affairs. Diversity and change are intrinsic to religious faith, but faith adds an orientation to transcendent goodness that is its enduring contribution to human culture.
Acceptance of freedom of belief, the right of informed and open criticism, and an insistence that moral rules must subserve universal human welfare, are moral advances that have been made in the modern world through struggle, and that must not be relinquished. Both Christianity and Islam can internalise such values, and find resources in their own traditions for promoting them. Working apart and without reference to these values, the faiths will both become more marginalised and culturally isolated. Working together, they can become major forces for social harmony and altruistic action. Modern Europe offers a social context, not for a clash of civilisations, but for a new integration of religious faith and moral action, in which Islam and Christianity can both be revitalised in a context which can enable them to escape from old antipathies and forge new mature, creative and humanising forms of faith for the modern world. Such a course requires patience and courage, but it is a positive and real possibility for the Europe of the future, and one that is well worth striving for.
Rockin Oxford
Friends, I’m quite fortunate to receive the chance to present a paper at Oxford this coming week for the European Society of the Philosophy of Religion. I’m calling the paper The Christian Voice in American Civil Discourse: A Theological Guide Incommunicability, which is both long enough and pomo enough sounding to at least make me seem cool and smart. That said, Tripp suggested I post the paper both because it, in many ways, continues the theme of secularization, but also because you all might have some good critical feedback for me to consider. That said, it’s longer and a bit more complicated than a usual post, so…no angry comments about that, if you’re interested in reading it at all.
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This paper, or at least the beginnings of it, stem from year and a half of wrestling with the now well know Radically Orthodox theologians, especially John Milbank. With a certain amount of sympathy to much of the project—which, in many ways, I would consider to be argumentation for the reinstitution of a sort of a, loosely put, post-modern neo-platonic social order—I have come down on the side of a definitive “no” to their overall goals. I have many theological reasons for this rejection—most notably, I don’t think the Radically Orthodox have a robust enough idea of sin. But perhaps the reason that has become most pertinent to my own decision was a pragmatic one, namely, that I came to see that the conditions for the possibility of my own and others’ religious freedom and, in general, the overall quality of my relatively free life as stemming from the basic structures of my own countries Constitutional and liberal democracy. This point is not to deny the destructive force such social orders can have, especially when its citizens become irresponsible and selfish. So, Churchill is right when he says “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Of course, I believe this same man is also right when he says that “democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
That said, as a Christian, I do believe that my own faith can play, perhaps must by means of its often times prophetic self-definition play, an important role in the social order, even if not under the auspices of direct legal social control. And though I will not here make any pretense of defining this social role, my general thoughts have led me to the type of paper that have written for today. In it, I am concerned with what I think is an interesting paradox: that though the Christian faith has room to express its values and concerns in a liberal democracy and to do so in whatever terms it sees fit, that to express such concerns in specifically theological terms would be unbeneficial to both it and the social order as a whole. To shed some light on this point, I will therefore give a brief interpretation of what liberality has come to mean in the U.S. social order in the first half of the paper, namely, that liberality stands solely for the freedom of expression of the citizenry without a priori excluding any expression; this freedom includes those of the Christian faith. However, because the believability of the Christian faith and any rationale stemming from it is only open to those who have traditionally been called “the elect,” I argue that Christians ought not attempt to influence the social order directly, offering a hint of what I believe to be a good alternative.
U.S. Constitutional Order
Accordingly, the first goal must be to define and outline the place of religious discourse, if any, in the U.S. Social order, which will take something of an interpretation of the U.S. Constitution and its meaning. In the scholarship, both legal and non-, one will find little consensus on the intention, nature, and meaning of the U.S. Constitution. I do not propose to solve this particular problem by offering a comprehensive solution. I will simply offer what I think is a short but fitting philosophical interpretation of the document as I believe it has come to be culturally appropriated by U.S. Citizens. The emphasis, here, is on come to be appropriated as the Document has been severely reinterpreted based on our historical situations, a point with which I have no a priori problem.
In this regard, I posit that the U.S. Constitution and, therefore, much of the U.S. social order is now defined by its Bill of Rights. I cannot say and do not need to say that this orientation constitutes part of the original intention of the Document. Originally, the Bill of Rights seems to be an add-on (several “Amendments”) by the Anti-Federalists against the Federalists wishes; its purpose ensured that the small and growing nation-states that constituted the Federation would have a large degree of independence from the newly developing Federal power. However, for what I believe is very good reason, in1868, the Fourteenth Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights, which has become definitive in extending the Bill of Rights to the people as a whole; and when the Bill of Rights protects the people of the Federation as a while, it ensures that all individuals receive the protection defined in most of these Amendments against the tyrannies of certain states. I will also theorize, here, that this move solidified the Bill of Rights as focal point of the Constitution, defining the role of the Federal government as one that would protect individual liberties against both intrusions of states and itself, which is what the “people” of the U.S. has come to expect.
The Bill of Rights, then, is quite important. It protects the social order that the U.S. as a whole, for better or worse, has come to stand for: negative freedom. And in this order, negative freedom means, ideally, that neither the Federation nor the state can define a common good apart from the individual goods of the people. And the individual goods of the people can only be worked out according to their individual lives and the values they gain therein. I believe this principle signifies another important point.
Just as the Bill of Rights has developed into the focal point of the U.S. Constitution, the First Amendment has also become the ordering point of the Bill of Rights. This famous Amendment thus reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” And what the Amendment symbolizes is a near absolute right of U.S. Citizens to engage in what Rorty calls their “projects of self-creation,” which means their individual “working out” of what they find valuable.
Perhaps more importantly, however, this Amendment symbolizes and protects both the manner and source of civil discourse in the States. The manner of civil discourse in the U.S. is defined by its freedom from most lawful and governmental constraints, the exceptions being something like Mills’ “harm principle” and, perhaps, certain attempts to overturn the U.S. Constitution itself. This manner of social discourse therefore allows that the people themselves openly become the source of social discourse, all of whom contribute their individually and communally developed voices, which themselves are developed based on the values that the people have a near absolute right to work out for themselves.
I think these points are extremely important when it comes to understanding the role of religious discourse in the States. For one, what comes to be unique about this social order and its civil discourse is that almost no one is, legally, either included or excluded from engaging in discourse. (Naturally, fact is often different than principle). And whether one is factually included in this discourse rests not on whether one ought to be included in some legal sense, but in whether one can make one’s voice convincingly heard so that it is factually included—which, for better or worse, usually takes both money and education. This principle of non-exclusion (not necessarily inclusion) includes religious voices.
For the sake of this paper, then, I will define religion in a functional sense, understanding it not necessarily in terms of, say, various world religions, though these might be included. But, I try to define it more sociologically. As such, I believe it useful for social and Constitutional matters to define “religion” as a way of life oriented toward and defined by some interpretation (implicit or explicit) of some sort of ultimacy. I think that such a definition can only work at a legal level, but it is what I use for now.
With a very basic interpretation of both the meaning of the term “religious” as I am using it and the meaning and this principle of non-exclusion defined by the U.S. Constitution, it is possible to define the role of public religions in the U.S. Social order. There follows two important principles for engaging in public religion in the U.S. social order. Negatively, religious organization have no right to call into question or attempt to alter the conditions which make their free participation in civil discourse possible in the first place, namely, the pragmatic contract established in and through the Constitution. There is no room for theocratic law—Christian, Islamic or any other. There is simply the pragmatic law of negative freedom ascribed to by the citizens—to mutually and gladly leave one another alone despite disagreements over ultimate ends. And in this realm, when religious organization try to make legal changes such that the U.S. is, say, officially recognized as a “Christian Country” or to impose religiously inspired laws on those outside of any particular groups’ religious belief, critics are both right and duty-bound to protest. Religion itself has no legal standing at a Federal level, and it no longer has a legal standing at a state level.
Positively, however, religious institutions and organization most certainly do have every right to engage in the civil discourse of the United States and attempt to shape the flow of public discourse, policy, and non-legally binding sets of values. The First Amendment’s sole purpose is to protect individual liberties from both Federal and state governments alike. The government, then, is in the business solely of regulating civil dialogue without setting down any legal obligations concerning what topics, ideas, reasons are proper to that dialogue—the only exception being, perhaps, that the Constitution itself cannot be overturned (though such overturning can be discussed) and that dialogue that causes direct harm is disallowed. Religious persons and organizations are as much welcome to the discussion as are their detractors.
Believability
I have so far tried to bring some definition to the legal possibilities of public religion in the States: that public religiosity is welcome in the same manner that any public voice is welcome, but that the resulting shapes and movements of the public for or against any such voices are legally non-binding. Religious persons and organizations can include themselves in the Federation’s social discourse and can include themselves as they see fit. However, I now want to approach what, for me, is the more important question: how to actually influence the social order as such?
For the second part of my paper, I must admit that I’ve gotten myself into somewhat of a bind. What I will attempt to argue for is the non-translatability of Christian rationale into social orders that extend beyond the bounds of believers. Such is the social order in the U.S., at least in principle and probably in fact. The basic idea is simple: the condition for the possibility of belief in Christian ideas is not something beyond the faith, but contained within it. That is, there is no natural, rational way to make the truths of faith believable; therefore, there is no way to use, say, a direct line of Christian rationale to convince others in a civil discourse to agree.
What is even trickier is the fact that, to even claim that my argumentation is the least bit believable, I must make a move akin to Barth, Jungel, and other such theologians; lest I be caught in a retortion argument, I must claim my own argument itself to be an attempt to unfold revelation within revelation, a point that ipso facto must only believable within the strictures of revelation, which itself is a statement that is only believable within the strictures of revelation, and so on ad infinitum. In some very real sense, my claims are non-grounded, at least at a publicly exoteric manner, though neither would I claim them to be private in the strict sense of the term.
Accordingly, my strategy, here, will not to be to convince anyone in the sense of “move them toward belief” of my position unless they are, of course, a part of the Christian Faith; but I hope to make my thoughts interesting, nonetheless. So, I want to make a very important distinction between, say, the intelligibility of certain arguments and the believability of those arguments. What I mean is quite simple: arguments can be intelligible, interesting, even conditionally believable without being actually believable to the one who understands that argument. Such, for instance, is the point the Athenians indirectly understood when they accused Socrates of “making the weaker argument the stronger” and when Callicles admits to Socrates that he “admits but does not agree that the Tyrant is worse off than the slave.” The believability of certain propositions and ideas are different than either their intelligibility or even truth; I hope to make an intelligible, perhaps even an interesting case for why, at an analytic level of the content of Christian belief itself, the believability of the Christian faith cannot be transferred to a non-Christian social order.
That said, the notion of believability is also my point of departure for this argument. And the way I am attempting to use the term believability is much in the same way that William James, for instance, uses the term “live hypothesis.” James defines this notion as “a hypothesis which appeals as a real possibility to whom it is proposed (James, The Will to Believe, 3).” Accordingly, the liveness or deadness of the hypothesis are not “intrinsic properties, but relations to the individual thinker;” and the “reality” of this possibility are defined by the thinkers’ “willingness or unwillingness to act.” Believability signifies something like the ability or willingness to assent to a proposition or set of propositions that seemingly or possibly describes or captures the truth (which could be taken in either the Heideggerian or more tradition correspondent notion) of a situation. More definitely, I want to use believability in the sense of trust; that when we come to believe a proposition, we trust that it is adequately descriptive. The question is what makes certain intellectual elucidations believable at all?
It is common, at this point, to assert that cultural practice and the linguistic horizons stemming from it defines the basic categories through which persons think and express themselves. So, Richard Dreyfus, states in the Preface to Carol White’s Time and Death, that
Sociologists point out that mothers in different cultures handle their babies differently and so inculcate them into different styles of coping with themselves, people, and things…. [Without claiming this account to be correct or complete], Let us suppose, as we are told by the sociologists, that American mothers tend to put babies in their cribs on their stomachs, which encourages the babies to move around effectively, while Japanese mothers tend to put babies on their backs so they will lie still, lulled by the mothers’ songs….The babies, of course, imitate the style of nurturing to which they are exposed…[and so] starting with style, various practices will make sense ad become dominant, and others will either become subordinate or will be ignored altogether.
The style then determines how the baby encounters himself or herself, other people or things. So, for example, no bare rattle is ever encountered. For the American baby, a rattle is an object to make expressive noise…. A Japanese baby may treat a rattle-thing this way more or less by accident, but generally we might suppose that a rattle-thing is encountered as soothing….
Once, [therefore] we see that a style governs how anything can show up as anything, we can see that the style of a culture does not govern only babies. The adults in each culture are shaped by the it as they respond to things in the way they show up for them (Richard Dreyfus in Preface to Time and Death by Carol White, xi).
Intrinsic to this notion of cultural development, style defines more than simply the intellectual possibilities that we can intellectual “see,” however. I also grounds the believability of accounts concerning culturally defined objects, making such propositions possible as live hypothesis in the first place. So, sticking with the example Dreyfus tries to develop, the proposition “that a rattle is a toy usable for self-expression,” may find itself only believable in a culture where self-expression is valued as such. Accordingly, in terms of the style learned by each of the above babies, they learned not only possible thought categories, but came to trust such categories, which themselves ground the development of further possible categories and entities.
The Christian Faith
At any rate, there is much to be said on these specific issue. However, I want now to take up the specifically Christian notion of believability, which is here caught in a difficult spot. At least some Christians claim that the believability of its rationale—that God Incarnates in Jesus of Nazereth, dying, resurrecting, and making new a sinful humanity—is not simply a matter of human tradition, but revelation in the sense that it brings something absolutely new to the human being, something that was not there before. Of course, empirically speaking, there is a Christian tradition that has grown out of certain western strands of thought, has interacted and been influenced by some of its greatest thinkers, and is bound in expression to the best thought-structures of its day. My point is not to deny this point. I hope only to say that the continuing condition for the possibility of this historical tradition is not the tradition qua tradition itself, but the event in which the tradition is grounded and trying explore.
On the one hand, then, it is certainly possible and philosophically legitimate to argue that the believer believes because he has been inculcated into the tradition. Believers are believers because their history and cultural background have made the Gospel believable. On the other hand, the content of the Gospel denies this explanation as adequate because contained in the content of this traditional expression is the notion of salvation and revelation.
The first of these categories, salvation, means that we are made into something new, something that was not here before; man who was sinful is given new life, in grace, in Jesus the Christ. At least historically, and I’m inclined to think logically, too, to say that something genuinely and authentically novel is not brought in is to fall into certain Peligian strands, at least somewhat dismissive of the need for the Gospel event. However, this concept of novelty may be the topic, I’m beginning to think, of another paper, one that clarifies the nature of novelty and the novel content of the Christian faith. That said, the second of these categories as I use it—revelation—is the epistemic correlate of the first, namely, that we come to know that we are made anew so that we may make this newnewess our ownmost. Either way, if this content presupposes newness of being and the newness of its revelation, we can move with the logic outlined by Kierkegaard’s Johannes Climacus in his Philosophical Fragments.
New creation, if it is actually new creation, must move beyond the Socratic, which is defined purely and solely by anamnesis. That is, Socrates considers himself merely a midwife for ideas already contained within human possibility as humans currently stand. Accordingly, in order for the teaching to be actually new, it cannot be merely a historical tradition accessible on its own. There must be a teacher who brings to what is old—history—the “teaching” about the newness of creation and who is therefore himself new. While, therefore, the teaching of this teacher is achieved in history and becomes historical in its appropriation, the teaching itself is irreducible to the history that occasions its teaching.
What this point of newness also signifies is that there exists no old standard for measuring the truth of this teaching and whether it is believable. There is nothing in human tradition that could possibly testify to the believability of what is new without the new teaching itself becoming old. Therefore, if the old standards of believability were applicable to the new teaching, then the new teaching would be a product of anamnesis and, therefore, nothing really new. The new teaching, then, is its own justification, its own standard bringing with it its own conditions of believability given in the teaching itself.
As such, the new teaching only makes itself believable by enacting itself, plucking the old from the old and bringing it into the new. Therefore, the active “bringing into new creation” by the teacher grounds the believability of this new teaching as new; nothing else can do so. Without this “having been brought,” the believer must seem at best, hopelessly arrogant and, at worst, absurd. Or, at least this point must seem true from the old standard, which must claim that the teaching stems, as all other teachings, from human tradition.
It follows that only those who have received this new teaching have the ability to believe this teaching as new. But whom the teacher chooses to teach is not a matter of our discretion but the teachers.’ Accordingly, only those whom the teacher elects to teach, both in terms of the content of the teaching and the standard that makes the new teaching believable at all, have the ability to hear the message as believable at all.
Conclusion
I have suggested, therefore, that the believability of the Christian faith, for the Christian, is not subject to the same modes and rules of believability that we’ve come to define for other propositions. These propositions are based in human culture and practice alone and not in the teaching of the teacher, who makes by his teaching his teaching believable. This point further suggests that, a priori, ethics, social-standards, and … developed within the context of this new teaching are non-transferable in their believability, a point that directly affects the means by which the church can try to affect the liberal democratic social order.
If the church and its members takes seriously the notion of a liberal democratic social order, it cannot work with the pretense that it can influence the civil discourse in that order by means of either a directly Christian notion of social responsibility—for instance, that Jesus says or stands for X and, therefore, so should everyone else (to make a crude example). In fact, it may be the case that there is no direct point of interaction between the old and the new, and that the social order as it stands, contained as it is within the old, must be dealt with in its own terms. I have not definitive suggestion as to how, positively, to begin dealing with such social orders, but I do think that, for instance, Rudi Hayward has something to say on this topic. I don’t know much about the project as of yet, but the project is taking up the question of what it could mean to produce art as a Christian without producing Christian art; and, as the project seems well aware, such thinking can be applied beyond art itself to any number of social spheres, including the civil and the development of its social discourse.
A thought on….Decolonizing Biblical Studies
Thoughts on Decolonizing Biblical Studies: A View from the Margins by Fernando Segovia. This book is pretty sweet.
Segovia’s reflection on twentieth century biblical criticism focuses on the shift from seeing the text as a means, an entry point to reach back to the historical locus from which the text originated, and the text as a medium in which the literary communicative act between author and receiver is the primary focus of study. He tells the story of the development of historical criticism and its loss of field dominance by the advent of literary and cultural criticism. At the turn of the century Segovia is able to exegete the new pluralism of interpretive methods as the coming of a new liberated and decolonized form of biblical criticism that transcends the limitations of any one form of discourse, but includes them in conversation where everyone is free to speak authentically in their own tongue (33).
Historical criticism sprung up early in the Enlightenment and has been the normative scholarly discourse about biblical texts until the 70’s. Here the texts become a means to gain access to the time of its composition. In archeological fashion the text becomes the tool for attempting to uncover the world from which it came the the intention of the author. The reader was understood to be a neutral, informed and objective critic who was able to wade through the evidence and establish the meaning of a text. This methodology has a theological orientation in that, consciously or not, it was assumed that when the original meaning of the text was established it would function authoritatively for the present. In this sense the text was a means to more than a historical insight but was latent with power, a power that has come under threat.
The first alternative interpretative community of discourse that developed was that of literary criticism. It is far from a homogenous form of criticism, but as Segovia points out they share a shift to seeing the text as a medium where the aesthetic and artistic character of the communication is the focus. Instead of a vertical reading that seeks to go beneath or behind the the text, the literary critic takes a horizontal reading which reads the text from beginning to end as a whole piece of literature. In its rejection of the historicist’s atomism the text was assumed to have a coherent structure with a unified meaning. The reader, who remained faceless, still sought the meaning of the text and in the end the plurality of interpretations it made possible were determined by the constraints of the text ‘properly understood.’
For Segovia there are striking differences between seeing the text as either a means or a medium, but what they share in common is essential for understanding his criticism of both and their mutual deconstruction. Despite methodological differences the reader is understood to occupy a position that if successfully occupied leads to a universal and objective conclusion. As the reader became aware of numerous interpretive models and eventually those cultural criticisms that called the reader into question , this assumed objectivity and universality was revealed to be an operative myth of the scholarly community. It was the advance of cultural criticism, the third interpretative method discussed, that revealed the latent power at play in any text. At first the cultural critics focused on the the relationship present within the situation of the text, its author, readers, community, and various relationships at play in the discourse. As interest turned to the function of a particular reading in the present with the help of the neo-Marxist critics a concern for the politics of interpretation came to the foreground. For the cultural critic the text was both a means and a medium and for Segovia the end of an era. The future of biblical interpretation offered by Segovia is one beyond the various attempts for a universal and informed reader that often amounted to an educated european. Instead, his cultural approach sees the texts as a construction. As such one is able to engage in many different critical methods while recognizing that one cannot move beyond one’s own location. Not only can you not move beyond one’s location, but you would not want to for it is there that Segovia envisions the possibility of everyone owning and sharing their own voice in a liberated and decolonized conversation.
Paul Tillich on Christ & Buddha as Historical Figures
Today is Paul Tillich‘s birthday. In honor I thought I would share a bit of a conversation he had with students that is recorded in a book titled ‘Ultimate Concern.’ You can read the entire book for free @ religion-online!
Professor: What of other basic differences between Christianity and, say, Buddhism?
Buddha and Christ as Historical Figures
Dr. Tillich: There is a very clear distinction between the Buddhist and Christian attitudes toward history. I have made many inquiries as to this in my discussions with Buddhists. And the way these discussions ran is very interesting. I recall especially one large meeting where thirty Japanese Buddhists … professors, priests, and masters … were gathered. I asked, ‘Do you have any analogy to our two-hundred-year-old research into the historical Jesus? And they answered, ‘No! Only in the last twenty years have a few scholars been interested in the exact circumstances of the life of Gautama.’ (And here I must say not ‘Buddha,’ but ‘Gautama,’ speaking of this man Gautama who was called the Buddha … very similar to the Christ situation.) Then I asked, ‘What historical knowledge do you have of Gautama, since you derive your religion from this man?’ And they said, ‘We have the old traditions, which are not necessarily directly historical … the speeches and so on … which are somehow traced to this man. But even if he himself did not do or say these things, it does not matter.’ And then, of course, they spoke of the same experience you have just described, that there were ‘Buddhas’ … ‘inspired ones’ or ‘enlightened ones’ … before the man Gautama, and innumerable others after him.
Now they used a term which I would like to understand better. They spoke of ‘the Buddha spirit.’ They used that English word. Perhaps you could help me. What Christian expression would come close to ‘the Buddha spirit’?
Professor: I would say, perhaps, ‘the Christ within you.’
Dr. Tillich: Yes! Then the translation ‘spirit’ would be accurate, because the Christ within us is always the Spirit of the Christ within us, according to New Testament thinking … or, in more philosophical language, the Logos within us. That perhaps would be even a little nearer.
From the point of view of a comparison, this obviously means that for the Buddhists the relationship to history is insignificant. But for Jewish-Christian thinking, history is the place where a relationship occurs, and God himself is history. In Indian religions, while of course everyone lives in history … that is, in time and space … history itself does not reveal anything, although to some people who live in time and space some things are revealed. That is the fundamental difference from the Christian concept of the revelatory character of the historical process itself, especially in the great kairos, the kairos of Jesus the Christ of the cross.
Professor: I agree, and would say that no matter how much research the Buddhists do into the life of Gautama, they will never come up with the same attitude toward history. But it seems to me that there remains one significant thing as yet unanswered. You have indicated that Christ, or Jesus as the Christ, is unique in the sense that he bears this unique revelatory relationship to history. But aside from that historical relationship and its tremendous influence upon human events, is there any difference … we go back to Meister Eckhart … is there any difference between Jesus as God’s only son, and Eckhart’s you and me and everyone becoming God’s only son? These others may not be significant ‘only sons’ in an historical sense, but otherwise is there any significant difference in the way in which the kairos has entered into them?
Was Jesus Christ Unique?
Dr. Tillich: I agree with you that the historical answer, which you yourself brought up, is not the full answer. But we must of course also ask, ‘Why was this possible, this particular relationship to history?’ However we approach the thing, Christian theology always replies, ‘In the picture of the New Testament we have temptation and tragedy, but we have no estrangement from God in any moment in the life of Jesus as it is pictured.’ I intentionally use the word ‘pictured’ because these records are not historical records such as we might find about Caesar. But they reveal the power in him as it impressed itself on the disciples; beyond this we cannot go. This power produced that image, that story in which we see such struggles in Jesus … very human struggles. But we do not find any separation from God.
Later on, even in the New Testament where the story begins to be less specifically defined, there is the term ‘sinlessness,’ without sin. Now this word must be understood. If we consider the thirty years before his public life began, and then say that Jesus never became angry with his parents, for example, or create other biographical fantasies, we are mistaken. For this is not what the New Testament means. Sinlessness is a negative concept and can be understood only if we understand what ‘sin’ means. Sin means the power that separates from God; it is a demonic power. And the conquest of this demonic power through communion with God does not involve a mental psychology by which Jesus becomes a supernatural baby. The absence of such nonsense is something that reveals the greatness of the New Testament. If we compare it with some of the writings that were excluded by the early church from the biblical collection, we find in them all kinds of fantasies; the thirty years before his public life are filled with superstitious miracles, making pigeons out of clay and then animating them, for example … all such nonsense. We really should be grateful to the early collectors of the New Testament for the fact that they excluded all that. And so the picture that we do have reveals what can be described best by the phrase ‘continuous communion with God’ … no interruption of this.
The Death of the gods
This past Sunday I got to preach on my favorite Psalm! In Psalm 82 the God of Israel puts other deities on trial for failing to support social justice and ends up condemning them to death. Pretty sweet text and if you are interested here’s the sermon audio. (right click and save as if you want to download it)
Ohhh I don’t preach from a script and when I listened to it back I realized I should have been more clear on one point. I mentioned that in some situations an unjust system could be so distorted that even the victims support their own victimization. There is a longer story I play with, but I mentioned females in Afghanistan believing that they should have a lower status than men ‘because the Koran says so.’ I should have been clear and said that that is an interpretation of the Koran and NOT the only one. In fact, the day before I was reading an article on Riffat Hassan (a Pakastani, Feminist Muslim theologian) where she makes the point that the culture and NOT the Koran is the source of patriarchy. She says, ‘Not only does the Koran emphasize that righteousness is identical in the case of men and woman, but it affirms, clearly and consistently, women’s equality with men and their fundamental right to actualize the human potential that they share equally with men.’ (Taken from an article in ‘After Patriarchy‘) Any way, with all the stupidness going on with the NYC mosque I wanted to be clear that I do not believe the holy book and the religion is necessarily sexist. I only mentioned the example because my church invests money in building schools for girls in Afghanistan.
Kierkegaard on “What big tent Christianity is NOT”
Big Tent Christianity is not about BIG numbers. In fact, it is interested neither in big numbers nor becoming the new Christendom Christianity. SO here’s a little syncroblog feed back from Soren Kierkegaard. He is one of the most ingenious authors the world has ever known and this parable is from his ‘Attack Upon Christendom.’
Can numbers reveal the vitality of religious existence?
They tell a ludicrous story about an innkeeper…It is said that he sold his beer by the bottle for a cent less than he paid for it; and when a certain man said to him, ‘How does that balance the account? That means to spend money,’ he replied, ‘No my friend, it’s the big number that does it’, big number, that also in our time is the almighty power. When one has laughed at this story, one would do well to take to heart the lesson which warns against the power which numbers exercise over the imagination. For there can be no doubt that this innkeeper knew very well that one bottle of beer which he sold for 3 cents meant a loss of 1 cent when it cost him 4 cents. Also with regard to ten bottles the innkeeper will be able to hold fast that it is a loss. But 100,000 bottles! Here the big number stirs the imagination, the round number runs away with it, and the innkeeper becomes dazed, it’s a profit, says he, for the big number does it. So also with the calculation which arrives at a Christian nation by adding up units which are not Christian, getting the result by means of the notion that the big number does it.
If you dig this check out this amazing collection of Kierkegaard’s parables. It will blow your mind!
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Big Tent Christianity Synchrobloggers
(in alphabetical order)
David Adams, “Big Tent Christianity”
David Adams, “What is That to You?”
Kathy Baldock, “Synchroblog for Big Tent Christianity”
Greg Bolt, “Big Tent Christianity – Part 1?
Heidi Bolt, “Big Tent Christianity”
Joe Carson, “Big Tent Christianity and ‘ground level truth’”
Julie Clawson, “Big Tent Christianity – A Place Without Fear”
Philip Clayton, “Is Big Tent Wimpy or Radical?”
Matt Cleaver, “Big Tent Christianity in Big Time Denominations” ![]()
Bob Cornwall, “Coming Under the Big Tent!”
Bob Cornwall, “Living Under the Big Tent – Christianity That Is!”
Roy Donkin, “Big Tent Christianity”
George Elerick, “Monkeys with Vertigo: The BTC Event” ![]()
Kathy Escobar, “recovery under the big tent”
Rachel Held Evans, “Small Town, Big Tent”
Scott Frederickson, “‘Big Tent Christianity’ and Prairie Table”
Henry Friesen, “Big Tent Christianity” ![]()
Matt Gallion, “Big Table Christianity”
Andrew Hackman, “Big Tent Christianity and The Sneetches” ![]()
David Henson, “The Samaritan in the Big Tent”
Chad Holtz, “Big Tents, small gods and Knotted Brides”
Ken Howard, “Coming Together to Build a Bigger Tent” ![]()
Tony Hunt, “For and Against Big Tents”
John R. King, Jr., “Our Common Faith!”
Amanda MacInnis, “Big Tent Christianity”
James F. McGrath, “Thank God My Opponents Are Pharisees!”
Brian McLaren, “Big Tent Christianity Synchroblog” ![]()
Bert Montgomery, “Going Inside the Big Tent with Charlie Manson”
Josh Morgan, “Big Tent Christianity” ![]()
Josh Mueller, “Dreams of a Big Tent Christianity”
Thomas Jay Oord, “A catholic Spirit for a Big Tent” ![]()
Joe Paparone, “Big Tent Christianity – Synchroblog”
Lesley Paparone, “Being The Church”
Matt Ritchie, “The Case for Progressive Christians” ![]()
Dyfed Wyn Roberts, “Big Tent Christianity in Wales”
Daniel Rose, “Big Tent Christianity 1?
Daniel Rose, “Big Tent or Single Issue?”
Daniel Rose, “Scattered, Gathered, and Beautiful”
Daniel Rose, “Unity, Liberty, and Charity” ![]()
Ellen Ross, “Big Tent Christianity, Part One: What Faith Is Not”
Christine Sine, “Big Tent Christianity – Living the Gospel Now” ![]()
Arthur Stewart, “A Tale of Two Tents”
Alan Ward, “Coming Together Under a ‘Big Tent’”
Anne Rice on Quitting Christianity: Homebrewed Christianity 83
This week, we’re privileged to have Anne Rice come on, interviewed by Mike Morrell. Rice is one of the most read authors in modern history … her books have sold over 130 million copies. She is best known for the gothic genre, but in recent years, after coming out publicly as a person of faith, has begun a series chronicling the life of Jesus. Recently, Anne made waves by posting an update on Facebook to announce that she was no longer going to be part of organized Christianity … ‘in the name of Christ.’
For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being ‘Christian’ or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.
(via Anne’s Facebook Page, July 28)
It was surprising to hear that she tries to read every comment on her page! The above post alone has over 1500 comments and she posts several times a day. It certainly is an important hub online where people are hashing out what it means to be a follower of Jesus when there’s so much within Christianity to be embarrassed about. This is a great conversation … enjoy.
Recent volumes from Anne Rice:
Preorder: Of Love and Evil (Songs of the Seraphim)
Angel Time
Christ the Lord: The Road to Cana
Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt
And thanks to Mike Morrell for doing the interview. Normally we bestow the title ‘friend of the podcast’ for contributing an interview. It’s a little more relational than ‘correspondent.’ But I think it’s getting more serious with Mike. We might be getting close to ‘boyfriend of the podcast’ status. Here’s another great interview Mike did with Kevin Prosch.
In the intro, Ryan Parker joins me to talk about what’s going on over at PopTheology.com, and he has a sweet offer for you. The 25th person to DM PopTheology on Twitter with their mailing address gets a free copy of AD: New Orleans After the Deluge. Ryan promises not to send you junk mail and will not keep the addresses.
Saving a Genre
Ryan’s review of the Christian film, To Save a Life, from New Song Community Church in Oceanside, CA
Being (Really) Human
Pop Theology contributor Richard Lindsay’s review of the BBC America series Being Human



