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Who is God?

February 25, 2010 by Tripp Fuller 2 Comments

‘God?’  Who or what is God?  That was the most popular question for my interviews with the’ Transforming Theology’ theologians.  Here are their answers.  I am sure the diversity of answers will get your brain a movin’.  It may inspire you to attempt to answer the question yourself.  If so check out the 100 word answers over at Patheos.


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I Survived the Christian Right: Lesson 7

February 25, 2010 by Michael Camp 4 Comments

I Survived the Christian Right: Ten Lessons I Learned on My Journey Home

Lesson 7
Support Gay Rights Not Wrongs

Most of my evangelical friends thought I went off the deep end when I changed my view on this issue. I have to admit, for years I had wondered how anyone could defend homosexuality in light of certain passages of the Bible. But that was before 2004, when I did an honest study of those passages and discovered misinterpretations andbefore I learned that several words in those passages are almost certainly mistranslated.

It started when I began hearing stories from Christian gay people on how they had pleaded for God’s help to overcome their “sin” of homosexuality. They were saying it didn’t work. A personal friend told me a similar story. Despite seeking help in “ex-gay” ministries, God wasn’t changing them into heterosexuals nor taking away their sex drives.40 I read a Philip Yancey book41 where he recommended people read Mel White’s story (without endorsing his conclusions).42 White was a former ghostwriter for evangelical heavy weights and had come out declaring his homosexuality and the futility of trying to change. It was then that I clearly saw there was a pastoral problem with homosexuality. But was there a scriptural problem? Was there evidence evangelicals were misreading the Bible on this issue?

Turns out there is. For instance, one word in the Greek New Testament commonly translated “homosexual,” is the word, arsenokoitai, which is rarely found in ancient literature and whose meaning is uncertain.43 It must be a condemned sexual behavior but does not denote homosexuality across the board. To translate it “homosexual” without at least including a footnote about its ambiguity is irresponsible. To understand what the New Testament teaches on homosexuality, one must understand the landscape of sexual practices in the first century.44

For instance, when Paul talks of homosexuality in Romans, he’s speaking in the context of idolatry. Historical and literary context leads many scholars to conclude that when the Bible alludes to homosexuality it is talking about common forms of it in the ancient world, namely pederasty,45 cultic prostitution,46 and homosexual rape (e.g. implied in the story of Sodom), and not committed, loving homosexual relationships, which are supported by Christian movements like Metropolitan Community Church, SoulForce, and even the late Lewis Smedes,47 an evangelical author who taught at Fuller Seminary.

Don’t misread the Bible on homosexuality. Open your heart to the plight of gay people who can’t change their orientation despite well-intentioned efforts.

[40] Stossel, John, Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel…Why Everything You Know is Wrong, page 185.

[41] Yancey, Philip, What’s So Amazing About Grace

[42] White, Mel, Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America.

[43] See Campolo, Tony, Speaking my Mind, page 67 and Rogers, Jack, Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, pages 73-74

[44] Helminiak, Daniel, What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality and Cannon, Justin R., The Bible, Christianity, and Homosexuality

[45] The oppressive male-initiation practice in the Greco-Roman world of men having sex with boys

[46] For example, Cybelene worship in Corinth, Athens, Ephesus, and Rome, which included castrated male priests, and the temple of Aphrodite in Corinth, which had 1000 sacred female prostitutes. See Stark, Rodney, Cities of God, pages 50 and 92.

[47] http://www.soulforce.org/article/748

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Chris Seay on the Gospel According to LOST: Homebrewed Christianity 74

February 23, 2010 by Chad Crawford 2 Comments

Since I am a big fan of LOST, I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to invite Chris Seay back on the podcast. Chris is a pastor in Houston and author of The Gospel According to LOST. In the conversation, we explore the biblical themes in LOST, the theme of science vs. faith, and we spend a little time delving into the philosophical Easter eggs left all over the island, including references to Teilhard de Chardin, Kierkegaard, and Locke. We could pick any number of these themes and do a whole podcast on them, and maybe we will.

Other books from Chris include:

The Gospel According to Tony Soprano: An Unauthorized Look into the Soul of TV’s Top Mob Boss and His Family

The Gospel Reloaded: Exploring Spirituality and Faith in the Matrix

The Tao of Enron: Spiritual Lessons from a Fortune 500 Fallout

Thanks for all of your questions, I apologize if we didn’t get to yours.

In the intro, we get a call from Pastor Bill from Middle Earth, who we get to meet at the Theology After Google conference, Tripp shrieks a few times like a LOTR rider, and we demonstrate we’ve forgotten a few hobbit names and where Middle Earth actually is. If anyone else from Middle Earth wants to give us a call: 678-590-BREW. If you speak Elvish on the call, please provide a translation!

Other things:

Follow @PastorChrisSeay on Twitter
Chris’ LOST Vlog

Gospel According to LOST Facebook Page which gave a way a ton of Dharma merch that I missed out on.
Chris Seay on Homebrewed Christianity 35 talking about Advent conspiring

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What is wrong with ‘Progressive Theology?’

February 23, 2010 by Tripp Fuller Leave a Comment

You may not be exactly sure what ‘progressive theology’ entails, but a pretty easy way to figure it out is listening to ‘progressive theologians’ tell you what they think is wrong with it. Here are a bunch of notable theologians answering the question. Check them out and let me know what you would add.

Answers include: Donna Bowman, Gary Dorrien, John Thatamail, Paul Captez, Tony Jones, Bill Dean, Emilie Townes, Mary Fulkerson, Ignacio Castuera, Kirk Wegter-Mcnelly, Dawn Devries, Tom Reynolds, Delwin Brown, Doug Ottati, Dwight Hopkins, Joerg Rieger, and Laurel Schneider.


HT: Transforming Theology

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I Survived the Christian Right: Lesson 6

February 22, 2010 by Michael Camp 1 Comment

I Survived the Christian Right: Ten Lessons I Learned on My Journey Home

Lesson 6
Have Sensible Sex

By now, I’m sure some have declared me a full-fledged heretic. Brace yourself, there’s more. Now for something totally uncomfortable…the subject of religion and sex. In my experience, with some noble exceptions (there are some excellent evangelical marriage manuals on sex), the evangelical church has largely been sex-negative, in other words, either it has suppressed open discussion or portrayal of sex for fear of promoting immorality, or it has condemned certain sexual behaviors, from nudity to masturbation to oral sex to all pre-marital sex, based on misinterpretations of the Bible.31

My historical studies reveal today’s church views on sex have more to do with Greco-Roman Platonism and Augustine’s warped perspective…despite his wisdom on other topics…than a rational reading of scripture. For instance, the Jewish tradition from which Christianity arose was sex affirming. Correspondingly, contrary to popular belief, the Greco-Roman world, in which the early church grew, was not wholly a debauched sexual culture. The sex-negating Platonists and Stoics, who had fearful attitudes toward “irrational” sexual pleasure, influenced much of it.32 This had impact on early church fathers like Augustine.

One specific is how these sex-negative Greco-Roman values influenced the English translation of the Greek New Testament word porneia. Raymond Lawrence calls it “perhaps the most deliberately mistranslated word in the biblical literature,”33 when it is rendered “fornication,” and I would argue when it is also translated “sexual immorality” (as in ‘flee sexual immorality’34). Conservative Biblicists have condemned a host of sexual behaviors under that one word, commonly summing it up as perverted sex or all sex outside of monogamous marriage, without understanding what it meant to the original audience. One scholar believes a better translation is “harlotry,”35 for the connotation of porneia is selling oneself to break covenant. Moreover, it is not always about sex, as is evidenced by the times it or its Hebrew equivalent is translated as “idolatry.”

Despite the fact that I would never endorse polygamy as a good idea, the fact is polygamy is never condemned in the Bible nor is monogamy strictly endorsed. In fact, the Torah commands polygamy in the case of the Leverite law36 and supports it at times.37 Polygamy and concubinage were practiced by Old Testament heroes of the faith from Abraham to Jacob to Gideon to David and never censured by God, except excessive polygamy with foreign women outside the faith. The truth is that if Bathsheba had not been married to Uriah, David would not have committed adultery. The biblical literature defines adultery differently than we do in our modern context.38

Likewise with pre-marital sex, the Bible puts limitations on it because of the Jewish concern for pure lineage and because unmarried women were considered property of their fathers. There was no equivalent of today’s single woman, living outside her family’s home. Therefore, the Bible does not specifically condemn all singles sexuality.39

This is not to say that we should emulate the male-dominated society of the Bible or married men have license to run out and grab the first single, pretty woman they see bathing on a rooftop (how David first saw Bathsheba). Promiscuity rooted in selfish, personal gratification cannot be defended. However, it does mean, if we are honest, that we should take the above facts into account when we decide on a sexual ethic for today.

In sex, let the admonitions to love one another, treat each other kindly, and be responsible in our relationships, be the guiding principal, not absolutist rules that were never a part of the Bible’s historical and cultural milieu.

[31] Thelos, Philo, Divine Sex: Liberating Sex from Religious Tradition

[32] Lawrence, Raymond, The Poisoning of Eros

[33] Lawrence, Raymond, Op. cit., page 2

[34] I Corinthians 6:18

[35] Countryman, William, Dirt, Greed, and Sex

[36] Deuteronomy 25:5-10

[37] Deuteronomy 21:15-17

[38] Countryman, Op. cit., page 159

[39] Countryman, Op. cit., page 264.

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What book-stack introverts agree upon…

February 20, 2010 by Tripp Fuller 1 Comment

….Eric Reitan’s book ‘Is God a Delusion?’ is awesome!!!!  Choice magazine just named it ‘academic book of the year.’ Of course all the Deacons remember his amazing appearance on the HBC podcast, but little did we know just how many librarians were Deacons.  That is good news to me because I absolutely loved getting to work in the library in college, but none the less I am sure this counts as empirical proof that the HBC has a librarian tribe o Deacsons out there.  Don’t worry Librarians if you feel that you are in any way behind in recognizing how awesome Eric’s book is, because even Bil Moyers and Stephen Cobert steal their guests from us.

For real, if you are in an way interested to the current debate among philosophers of religion, atheists, and God then get this book.  It is well worth enoying.  We know librarians thought so!

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Video Games & Theology?

February 19, 2010 by Tripp Fuller Leave a Comment

Who hasn’t had a couple months in their life where they were obsessed with a video game?

Well I guess the oldies out there may not know that experience but I got say I spent many a days rocking out with Link trying to save Zelda and I am pretty sure that despite tons of hours and a game genie I still have not beat ‘The Secret of Mana.’ Here is an amazing conversation between Craig Detweiler and Ryan (Pop Theology) Parker on the new book ‘Halos & Avatars.’  If you are a gamer and want to know if God is a gamer, then this is a book for you!

Did I mention that Craig is coming to Theology After Google? You should come too!!!

Check out the book here!

An Interview with Craig Detweiler, author of HALOS AND AVATARS from J. Ryan Parker on Vimeo.

Here’s a sweet conversation between Craig and Jana Riess of the Twible project, who will also be at Theology After Google.

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I Survived the Christian Right: Lesson 5

February 18, 2010 by Michael Camp 3 Comments

I Survived the Christian Right: Ten Lessons I Learned on My Journey Home

Lesson 5
Don’t Be Seduced by Political Power

I learned one of the warped mindsets of heavily financed political activism is an us vs. them mentality. Today, this attitude continues to fuel the Christian Right in their quest to save America from moral depravity and reclaim it for Christ. Us vs. them mindsets can also be present in left-wing politics, but that is another story.

Within evangelicalism, black-and-white, us vs. them, groupthink is pervasive. I saw that clearly when I was involved in the pro-life movement and Operation Rescue in the late 1980s. The attitude is one of drawing lines: Republican over Democrat, pro-life over pro-abortion, religious America over secular America, etc. But “power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”26 Evangelicalism within the Christian Right has always been about taking control, getting the right candidates in, overcoming the enemy (abortion, homosexuals, liberals), legislating the right laws, forcing an abortion clinic to close, and reclaiming America for Christ, all by manipulating the masses through fear and demonization of opponents. If you don’t vote Republican or for this candidate, hell will break loose. If we pass Obama’s health care bill, the government will take over your life and God will judge us for funding abortion and disobeying the Ten Commandments.27

But these are lies, or if you’re inclined to be more gracious, false dichotomies. We live in a pluralistic society. Good politics is about compromise, not taking control. Real influence comes through open-minded persuasion and loving others, not by winning at the polls or banning abortion or suppressing gay rights. Democrats, as much as Republicans, care about decency and values. God works through more than one political party, outside of evangelicalism,28 and in people of other faiths. As comprehensively argued by evangelical author Mark Noll, the historical record is clear that America is not a Christian nation the roots to which we must return.29 Christianity has had both positive (abolition and civil rights movements) and negative (intolerant, legalistic Puritans and endorsement of slavery) influence on our country.

Do not lust for political power and cultural influence.30

[26] Thomas, Cal, Blinded by Might: Why the Religious Right Can’t Save America, page 54

[27] In a prayer cast organized by the Family Research Council on December 16, 2009, Pastor Jim Garlow claimed the health care reform legislation currently being deliberated in the Senate, violated just about every one of the Ten Commandments.

[28] Cox, Harvey, When Jesus Came to Harvard

[29] Noll, Mark, In Search for Christian America

[30] Ballmer, Randall, Thy Kingdom Come: An Evangelical’s Lament

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The Clayton \ Dennett Conversation…Evolution, God, Religion, Science, and other philosophical goodies!

February 16, 2010 by Tripp Fuller 5 Comments

Here’s my attempt to stream this conversation.  It should go live right before 2pm on the West Coast.

Here‘s Clayton’s Pre-Debate Post \ John gives a super recap \ Philip‘s post-debate reflection \ Bob Rhodes reflects on the conversation \ newspaper writeup

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I Survived the Christian Right: Lesson 4

February 15, 2010 by Michael Camp 3 Comments

I Survived the Christian Right: Ten Lessons I Learned on My Journey Home

Lesson 4
Don’t Be Deluded by the Last Days

As a brand-new believer in 1979 I tended to accept the pre-tribulation Rapture view that the Bible predicts Jesus would return a second time before a period of tribulation, to whisk believers up to heaven and leave unbelievers behind to face seven years of apocalyptic trials. After reading several critiques of this view, I realized it was farcical and unbiblical18, not to mention highly manipulative the way preachers or authors…Hal Lindsey in the 70s and 80s and Tim LaHaye (Left Behind) today…use it to “persuade” people to come to Christ, or else. Despite this, like the majority of evangelicals, I still believed the return of Christ was in the future and possibly eminent, given the state of the world.

Then around 1999, the preterists19 entered my life; the likes of R.C. Sproul, Gary DeMar, and Kenneth Gentry, ironically conservative evangelicals who introduced the notion that everything that Jesus predicted in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21) was fulfilled between 64 and 70 AD.20 They also viewed the speculation around the return of Christ as madness21 and the book of Revelation as written prior to 70 AD;22 hence its predictions were not speaking about thousands of years in the future.

Their reasoning was refreshing. They cried Bible abuse by dispensationalists and the bulk of evangelicals in the widespread unreasonable belief that Jesus spoke of two events in the Olivet Discourse: a coming calamity on Jerusalem within a generation, and then in the next breath about his return to earth 2000 years in the future. After reading the preterists, I reread all those prophetic verses and suddenly they made perfect sense.23

What I didn’t expect was to come to believe these preterists weren’t going far enough. Considered “partial preterists,” they still believe in a future return of Christ at the time of the resurrection. But for this position to stand, there must be two second comings of Christ, one in 70 AD in judgment on Jewish Temple worship and one at a future resurrection. But this view is problematic because the New Testament does not speak of two second comings at all, or more accurately, a third coming. I found myself agreeing with the “consistent preterists,”24 who say that all the prophecies about Jesus returning occurred at or before 70 AD based on a rational reading of the New Testament and first century historical evidence.25

Imagine that for a moment. Jesus has already returned. The drama is over. There is no need to unmask the mystery or fear the Antichrist, let alone shape American foreign policy around the return of Christ and the end of the world.

Get on with the business of saving the planet and promoting social justice in the world without secretly believing it will all be for naught in the end.

[18] DeMar, Gary, Last Days Madness: The Obsession of the Modern Church

[19] Preterists believe biblical events were fulfilled in the past as opposed to futurists, who believe they will be fulfilled in the future.

[20] Sproul, R.C., The Last Days According to Jesus, and Josephus, The Jewish Wars

[21] DeMar, Gary, Op. cit.

[22] Gentry, Kenneth, Jr., Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation

[23] e.g. Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this generation shall certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Matthew 24:34 and “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.” Revelation 1:1

[24] J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia, and www.preterist.org

[25] Josephus, Tacitus, and Eusebius. They cite occurrences of false prophets, famines, earthquakes, wars, and astronomical signs leading up to 70 AD that match what Jesus predicted.

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