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Is the Emerging Church Movement Waning? Deacon Hall’s Response

January 10, 2010 by Deacon Hall 12 Comments

I’ve been reading up a little on some of the debate over whether or not the emerging church is dying. That is, I just read over Brian LePort’s insightful blog which tends to argue alongside a few other persons that, in fact, the movement is dying.  However, as someone not particularly connected to this debate or with a large stake in the outcome of its unfolding, I thought I’d put in my own two-cents, hopefully giving a bit of a different perspective on it.

The question, then, is whether the emerging church is dying, or at least whether its influence is waning.  In order to answer this question in either of its forms, I first have to ask for something of a clarification.  What precisely is meant by the Emerging Church?  Until this question is answered, any attempt at answer the prior question is something of an equivocation; as it stands, I can think of at least two ways to understand the emerging church, each of which has utterly distinct consequences for the meaning of an answer.

First, there is the emerging church as a contemporary movement, the means through which I’m guessing a large number of emergent thinkers, leaders, and believers take root and identify themselves with the emerging church. This sense of the emergent church, then, signifies something like a particular set of leaders with a particular set of concerns living in a particular time under particular intellectual, political, economic conditions, making a theological statements and critiques within this cultural arena.  So, LePort identifies Brian McClaren, Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones, Scott McKnight, etc., as some of the leaders, all of who have relationships to the Emergent Village and its thought trajectory.  I do not doubt, then, that the debate at hand is about this precisely this movement.

In this regard, if the question of whether this emerging church is waning, then the answer might be “yes.”  I honestly don’t really know, and I have no particular argument either way.  As I’ve already admitted, it’s never been my particular cup of tea, even if I have some sympathies and respect for some of the leaders.  Even if this movement is not waning now, however, I expect that it eventually will, which is fine.  Particular movements are bound to do just that, no matter how big or persuasive they are any given time. Neo-Aristotelianism and the theological formulations of Albert Magnus and Thomas Aquinas were, after all, at one point considered a near heretical ideas precisely because of how cutting edge they were, because of how radical (a term I’ve noticed, for better or worse, is used quite a bit) they were.  The same can be said of the thought of old codgers such as Luther and Calvin, who were the equivalent of emerging church leaders in their own day. (Although, I gotta admit, I’m not yet inclined to consider today’s emerging church leaders Aquinas or Luthers yet.)  Movements are eventually formalized, institutionalized, and lose their original power of freshness, honesty, and novelty. In other words, the original expression eventually dies.

That said, I question whether the above formulation of the emerging church as a particular movement is proper formulation of what the emerging church ought to mean. I say this because, in some respect, the only Emerging Church is the Church Universal; and I would argue that one of the Church’s main characteristics is to emerge, making it properly the Emerging Church.  This idea is best formulated through Pauline terms (or at least Dunn’s and Pannenberg’s interpretations of Paul).

In the Incarnation (if that term can be definitively used with Paul), life, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, Paul notes that something definitive has taken place in the world.  God has decisively moved against sin and death, Rome and Babylon, for the sake of life and holiness.  God’s holy city was being rebuilt.  This in-breaking Kingdom, however, was not yet complete.  Just as the Israelites had really and decisively moved into the promised land without yet vanquishing all their foes, so, too, with God in Christ.  God had come, decisively acted, and set in motion the machinery that would bring from heaven to earth God’s recreation, eschatologically fulfilled in the resurrection. (Put these types of basic insights into whatever language you would like.)

If something like this idea holds, then what else can the Church be but the visible, temporal sign of, and response to, God’s in-breaking and new creation and the promise of the holy city?   In the Holy Spirit, the Church emerges from the ashes of death and decay, and will continue to emerge until the final victory of God, already secured in Christ,  is brought to completion.  As a temporal institution, however, the Church is constantly moving and evolving, reacting to each new situation as it must, bringing the Good News of God’s work in Christ with it wherever it might be called or forced to go.

For the Church to emerge is for it to be alive and well, for God of the Church to be alive and well, calling life from death and joy from despair. For the Church to emerge, then,  is for the Church to be what it is: the Church.   So, if the emerging church movement is dying now (and, again, I don’t know one way or another), that’s okay; we should simply ask, as LePort says, the following: ‘what did it teach us? What have we learned (positive and negative) from this experiment?’  If, however, the Emerging Church proper was to die, well, that would essentially mean that God has abandoned us.  I sincerely hope and bet that one’s wrong.

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Jo Ann W. Goodson

John Sylvest, thanks. I loved the remarks made on the subject of "Map-making & Story-telling-the twain shall meet". As a stay at home mom for years and then working in management for 30 years, I found the use of both methods highly successful. In my personal life now as a retired woman, I have found using the two methods of communicating very successful as well. People learn in many different ways and take in information in very different ways and process in many ways. I am one of those who want others to understand what I am saying while at the same time understanding what they are saying. At one point in my business career I supervised 20 women. Talking about having to use different methods of communicating, that was both a joy and an ordeal. In spiritual matters I have found the same to be true. I think I was born using both methods, map-making and story-telling. Even my Myers Briggs indicates I am right down the middle of the chart with everything. No huge swings pass the middle line in anything. I love your statement, "as created co-creators, we were made for recreation." I think this is true. I do not like change for change sake but we must continue to learn and progress as a human being. That takes a life time of learning and doing. You stated by using both methods we make things more accessible for a wider audience and helps us all to appropriate them more fully and holistically, so true !!! We may be born with certain characteristics and personalities but we do not have to be stuck with them. Each of us can and should grow. We cannot change our "DNA", do not use this word as just body DNA, but as Christians we learn, or should learn, how to work with what we have and learn more lessons of how to live and act as Christians. The Holy Spirit changes us by adding to what we already have but nudges us to constantly progress to be more like Jesus in our daily living not just in our thinking. Thanks for suggesting the website.

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John Sobert Sylvest

Thank you, Jo Ann. You may appreciate the first few quotes in this post: Map-making & Story-telling – the twain shall meet. Those 38 Special lyrics express for me how one might best relate both to ideas and to one another. It is not that we in any way disvalue our conceptual map-making and academic abstractions; I consider them important, indispensable even, in providing deeper understandings. In order to really cash out their value, we want to turn those understandings into stories. This not only makes them more accessible for a wider audience but helps us all to appropriate them more fully and holistically, duly honoring the way we have been fashioned (wired) by our Creator. It seems that, as created co-creators, we were made for recreation, for pure play, an activity that is intrinsically rewarding, an end unto itself. We have the most fun "at play" in the fields of the Lord, rather than "at work" on our own agenda!

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Deacon Hall

Thanks for the insightful responses and contributions; you've all got me thinking.

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Jo Ann W. Goodson

John Sylvest, thanks for the kind words and your new attitude towards the way you write and or converse. I love your poem and believe it with all my heart. My wish is to have someone in my life that would treat me exactly the way you described it in your poem. "Just Hold On Loosely, but don’t let go If you cling to tightly, you’re gonna lose control Your baby needs someone to believe in And a whole lot of space to breathe in." Thanks again and God Bless you !!!

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stephy

Emergence feels trendy to me, and something new will come along for a little while.

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John Sobert Sylvest

The emerging church conversation is less about positions and more about dispositions http://bit.ly/80ruuX

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John Sobert Sylvest

Such wisdom. Amen to Emergence broadly conceived vis a vis the Church Universal. The more narrowly conceived particular movement seems to be an ecclesial reiteration of a constructive postmodernism. This pomo-impetus, in a nutshell, has transitioned science and philosophy, which I like to categorize as cosmological enterprises that are primarily descriptive and normative, from a naive realism to a more critical realism. This changed the way humankind engaged reality vis a vis propositional cosmology making our approach more fallibilist. If in our descriptive sciences our knowledge advances mostly involved standing on the shoulders of our forefathers, in our normative philosophies our perspectival changes have often more so resembled standing on their necks. There's a related but distinct dynamism in play when we look at the effect of pomo-impetus on our axiological enterprises of evaluative cultures and interpretive religions, which are less propositional and more relational and existential. I suppose this is to suggest that, if a constructive postmodern approach will change the way we treat ideas, cosmologically, let's say with an epistemic holism over against either the epistemic hubris of a sterile rationalism with its a prioristic and apodictic certainties or the excessive epistemic humility of a radical deconstructionism with its nihilistic tendencies, then, axiologically, we might expect it to change the way we treat one another. For example, one way we might change the way we treat one another would be to take my above two paragraphs with their dense and narrowly philosophic prose and to translate them into an idiom that can be engaged by our children and young adults. The conversations we are having in the academy are terribly important and we do not want to proceed without them. At the same time, without translation into a much more accessible and engaging form, they remain regrettably irrelevant. And I wrote all of this as an example and just to say: WOW !!! The questions Deacon raised and the response they evoked in Jo Ann are so incredibly right-on! To wit, Jo Ann wrote: "It is possible that it could take on even yet a “new form.” This is all good. Keep people thinking, conversing, writing, communicating through song, dance, loving each other, learning and experiencing God, sharing our stories, etc. All of this is challenging and we must step up to the task. We must be “radicals” in a loving and spiritual way." A "new form" indeed. For example, if I wanted to translate what the pomo-impetus on our faith life looks like, I would say to my children: "You know that 38 Special song, 'Hold on Loosely'? In the place of the GIRL, substitute your CHURCH." You see it all around you Good lovin' gone bad And usually it's too late when you, realize what you had And my mind goes back to a girl I left some years ago, Who told me, Just Hold On Loosely, but don't let go If you cling to tightly, you're gonna lose control Your baby needs someone to believe in And a whole lot of space to breathe in It's so damn easy, when your feelings are such To overprotect her, to love her too much And my mind goes back to a girl I left some years ago Who told me, Just Hold On Loosely, but don't let go If you cling too tight babe, you're gonna loose control Your baby needs someone to believe in And a whole lot of space to breathe in Don't let her slip away Sentimental fool Don't let your heart get in her way yeah, yeah, yeah, You see it all around you Good lovin' gone bad And usually it's too late when you, realize what you had And my mind goes back to a girl I left some years ago, Who told me, Just Hold On Loosely, but don't let go If you cling to tightly, you're gonna lose control Your baby needs someone to believe in And a whole lot of space to breathe in So Hold On Loosely, but don't let go If you cling too tight babe, you're gonna lose it You're gonna -- lose control yeah, yeah, yeah Just Hold On Loosely but don't let go If you cling too tight babe, you're gonna loose control Hold on Loosely, but don't let go If you cling too tight babe, you're gonna loose control yeah, yeah, yeah ~ D. Barnes, J. Carlisi, J. Peterik

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Deacon Hall

Thanks for the responses, already. I think you and I are saying much the same thing, here, Jo Ann. I suppose I would respond in the following: I don't tend to think the Church actually depends on believers (strange as that may sound), and I do rather deterministically think that this particular emergent movement, which participates (I hope) in the greater Church, will fade. As I've said, I think that's okay. this will not mean that the leaders lose their significance, can't be a part of different movements, etc. After all, any emergence only partially depends on the persons who seek to set that emergence in place. Let the Spirit go where the Spirit will go, I say. Benjamin, as always, you have a good and poignant question. In response, I have to say that the term emerging church has been used because it has spoken to so many communities. I can't take away from that. And while I certainly think other non-emergent thinkers share in the insights regarding church structures, I will also say that the emerging church has sought to engage in theology in a peculiar manner, too. And if the emerging church movement signifies a specific type of theology, then I cannot say that just anyone could be considered emergent, not at the level of this particular movement. At the level of the Church Universal and its Emergence, that's an entirely different question, which will have to be worked out in never-ending debate, fracture, and re-synthesis (I'm a bit Hegelian at the end of the day). (How's that for beating around the bush?)

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Jo Ann W. Goodson

"If something like this idea holds, then what else can the Church be but the visible, temporal sign of, and response to, God’s in-breaking and new creation and the promise of the holy city? In the Holy Spirit, the Church emerges from the ashes of death and decay, and will continue to emerge until the final victory of God, already secured in Christ, is brought to completion." The "church" in my comment so far will be those that have a relationship with God through God's Holy Spirit, not a building. For me, the emerging "church" is a movement, a conversation, an ongoing process. As Harvey Cox has stated in his new book on faith, he thinks we are living in the "Age of the Spirit." I happen to agree with him. For me the "emerging church/conversation" is the working of The Holy Spirit in the lives of many of us. There are those such as Tony Jones, Doug Paggitt, Tim Condor, Tripp Fuller, etc. that are speaking and writing on and about this phenomenon. As we normally "name" things that we really cannot explain, such as YAHWEH, DEVIL, etc. So to we must give this movement of the spirit a "name." We can call it The Age of The Spirit, emerging church, whatever we want to call it. As a movement of the spirit I do not see it dying. The spirit cannot die. It might take on a new "name", etc. but die, NEVER !!! If you want to keep it as "church" or waiting to see if it continues to evolve in communities, then that part may die as some denominational churches are dying now. We can debate this forever and that's okay, it keeps the thought of the spirit alive. There is some new thought in this process, some new ideas, some new creative ventures, new books, a reawakening of the soul for some, some church buildings, some folks in community that meet in any type of building that is available. All of this is wonderful and I hope it does not die. It is possible that it could take on even yet a "new form." This is all good. Keep people thinking, conversing, writing, communicating through song, dance, loving each other, learning and experiencing God, sharing our stories, etc. All of this is challenging and we must step up to the task. We must be "radicals" in a loving and spiritual way. We must be thankful for a free society where things like the emergent church can take place. Whatever you want to call it, simply take a look, come back for more and let's see what the future holds. The main thing is to stay in relationship with God and all creation watching for God's presence and trusting God to bring the kin-dom now and in the future.

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Benjamin Chicka

I have been thinking about this since the emerging church has been, well, emerging at Claremont given student interest and what Philip Clayton has been up to. Do you agree with my summary of the take-away point, Eric? It seems to be this: something emerging cannot be substantialized apart from individual and communal interests. That is, if the emerging church is that thing over there rather than whatever thing happens to emerge, the usefulness of the term and point of the whole enterprise seems to have been missed. In this regard, the emerging church could be an impulse for novelty in theological and church structure thinking, something shared by many theologians today (even if they do not identify with "that thing" over there, the emerging church).

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deacon burrley

Good post D Hall.

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