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Mainline Leadership is Killing the Church?

December 11, 2009 by Deacon Hall 9 Comments

Here’s a good article for you all that you might want to spend a little time with. It’s essentially saying that Mainline Churches, because of their social-stances, money, facilities, etc., should be growing. However, there’s a problem:

“George Barna… commented that mainline Protestant churches seem to have weathered the past decade better than many people have assumed, but that the future is raising serious challenges to continued stability. He identified the quality of leadership provided – especially regarding vision, creativity, strategic thinking, and the courage to take risks – as being the most critical element in determining the future health and growth of mainline congregations…”

We have a problem:

On the one hand, the union-like conditions for leading in Mainline churches, i.e. “having to put in one’s dues,” seems to stifle any creative means of formulating new ways to interact with one’s culture. You might even say that processes such as ordination are less about learning to serve within one’s community than they are about learning the rules of tenure and hierarchy. Quality control can equal a formula of ‘don’t rock the boat.’ Because of the bureauocracies, “entrepreneurial” leaders go elsewhere.

On the other hand, these entrepreneurs, while bringing the Gospel to the culture with great success, risk forming cults of personality. When any such entrepreneur leaves his or her community, the question remains as to whether that community can actually continue to not only survive, but also thrive. And if not, whether it, too, was even truly dedicated to the Gospel or just an entrepreneurial vision, a personality.

I don’t see any particularly easy answers, here. But I would like to begin fighting for one small change in my own denomination that could make something of a symbolic difference. I’d like to see it made Canon law that all Episcopal Bishops have to take communion from a child once a year. Not only do I think that this idea is good theology, but I also think that it would help to remind the above mentioned bureaucracies (bishops and priests, in this particular case) whom they have been called to serve: not themselves but ostensibly Christ and his people.

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Deacon Hall

It's a bit of snipey comment, I admit. I do have a select few in mind whom I feel use the Christian faith as a tool for propaganda. But that's for another post, and the statement, granted, is too broad. I'll retract my comment without taking it off the board (others have the right to shame me as well).

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Mary

Hm. I guess I'm a 'mainline theologian' and I make Communion every week and receive Communion without crossing fingers....

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Deacon Hall

Come to think of it, I'd be happy if some of the mainline theologians took communion once a year from anyone, child or not, without crossing their fingers. On this point, Jo Ann and Mary, I'm surely with you on Harvey Cox as he seems to be one of the few willing to do just that.

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Jo Ann W. Goodson

"Now, HOW to get that word and experience out to young adults, and get them past the Seven sayers (who are not always the blue-hairs! Some of those little ol’ ladies and gents have been movers and shakers in their time, and they WILL welcome other risk-takers and recognize kindred souls! That’s our challenge, isn’t it?" I am one of those little ol' ladies that has always been a mover and shaker even when I was scared to death to do anything. When The Holy Spirit speaks you jump whether you want to or not. This is a difficult time and there is no easy answers to our questions and concerns. As our church is currently looking for a lead Baptist pastor, these questions are constantly on my mind. I want a mover and shaker but at the same time I love and know we must be concerned with the spirituality that Harvey Cox is speaking about. He is one man that I listen to very closely as well as the emergent conversation leadership. We are in the thinking, pondering what if times now as it is an ongoing "process" we will make some progress and digress as well. However, we must not give up. We need to read and converse with many unlike us as well as those like us if we want to formulate a path on which to begin. Our Baptist church began in 1957 and from the very beginning has not been your typical Baptist Church. We have conservatives among us that keep us on our toes but for the most part we do accomplish a lot of modern thinking and doing. I hope and pray that our new senior pastor will be a true leader on current issues but will be very creative in everything from worship to education and missions. It bothers me that we do not have more theology taught in our churches as well as more thinking, learning and practicing personal spirituality as well as corporate spirituality. Jesus is our example but we worship God, hopefully and not Jesus. I am very much a trinitarian and hope to see The Holy Spirit move up in our acknowledgement of the existance and presence with us daily. That is sorely missing in our Baptist Churches. The bible is important to me but not my only source of "truth". God continues to speak and we must be open and listen and go where God is already working. I think if we take some examples from the way Jesus taught, lived and loved then we will discover what we need to do. Though I do not believe numbers are the most important thing for a church, I do want more of the world to know God and the message of love that Jesus brought to us. Now if that means going out into the world in some fashion then let's try something new. If it means changes in what we do in church, then let's try something new without throughing out all that has brought us to where we are now. Let's add to what we have that would bring us closer to God and make us a new person in the process. New wine in old wine skins does not work. I work within an organized group we call CHANGE. Community helping all neighbors gain empowerment. This is a faith based organization made up of Christians, Jews, Muslims, black, white, latinoes, etc. We want our city county to be a better place to live and worship and we have had some success with what we do. Small action groups work on specific issues. My issue now is finding ways to reduce suspensions, dropouts, and bullying in our school system. Organizing has helped us have some power with local politicians and other city/county leaders. Organizing can be a good thing as well as going it alone on a regular daily basis.

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Michael

The title and the Barna quote seem to indicate that you link "thriving" (that is, in terms of life) with increased numbers, and "death" (that is, when you write "killing the church") with decreased numbers. I'm not sure we should link vitality to numbers in this way. That doesn't mean that leadership ISN'T "killing" the church, but it would mean that you couldn't use Barna to support that point.

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Mary

Actually, if not a Canon law (which is more difficult to introduce and push through than one would think) then a practice enhanced by expectation - which is how most stuff really happens in the Episcopal Church. And what you suggest is one of Los Angeles Diocesan Bishop Jon Bruno's standing practices. Any time he celebrates Mass, he has a child from the congregation with him, and he receives Communion from that child. That's true even at the Diocesan Convention, where one of the teenagers who was at Convention as a page stood with him, and she gave him Communion. +Jon's first formal photograph following his consecration as bishop shows him with a small boy, underscoring his commitment to having children and teenagers recognized and welcomed into church leadership. George Barna really has a great sense of language going when he talks about the 'union-like' conditions for leadership. I know just how difficult it is not to always be saying, 'But I went to seminary. I KNOW how it's supposed to be done." And that attitude is equally true among the people who comment on things with the Seven Deadly Words of any church body: "But. We've. Always.Done.It.That. Way." Followed closely by those other Seven Deadly Words: "But. We've. NEVER. Done.It, That. Way." And variations on a theme. I do believe that people are seriously spiritually hungry. I"m reading Harvey Cox's latest book (amazed that he is still going strong as a visionary all these years after his first successful books) and he's discussing the end of an era he calls the 'era of belief' in which creeds and doctrinal statements mattered more than anything else; and into an era he calls the 'era of spirituality' and he doesn't mean that wishy washy good feeling stuff that masqueraded as spiritual life in the 1970s. Yuck. I do believe that the drama of the liturgy, the sensuality of beauty in most Episcopal churches with an overload of visual, tactile, sound and smell sensory perception, and the combination of tradition with risk-taking - when Episcopalians finally do take risks, we do it very well, even though there's a chorus of folks back in the pews with those Seven Deadly Words on their lips. Now, HOW to get that word and experience out to young adults, and get them past the Seven sayers (who are not always the blue-hairs! Some of those little ol' ladies and gents have been movers and shakers in their time, and they WILL welcome other risk-takers and recognize kindred souls! That's our challenge, isn't it?

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Cassie Hall

I also think the continuation of the quotation you provided is important: "...He also indicated that the approach that many mainline churches take toward some current social issues – e.g., environmental challenges, poverty, cross-denominational cooperation, developing respectful dialogue, embracing new models for faith expression, and global understanding – position those churches well for attracting younger Americans." We clearly need a leadership team that has the "vision, creativity, strategic thinking, and the courage to take risks" that you discuss in order to translate the church's position on these issues into effective recruitment strategies for young adults. The fact that the Episcopal church hasn't been able to capitalize on its (at least stated) commitment to the Millennium Development Goals, or even its more controversial support of the homosexual community, is sometimes shocking to me. These are precisely the issues that young people care about... among other things, they are why I am Episcopalian!

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deacon burrley

Great idea. I think it would work in any denomination.

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Cody Stauffer

I like the suggested Canon law. That would be amazing.

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