Comments on: Harvey Cox and Philip Clayton on Faith and Theology for the Future Church: Homebrewed Christianity 64 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:00:23 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Theo-blogger Tour http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-9525 Theo-blogger Tour Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:15:05 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-9525 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: Bob Cornwall http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-9492 Bob Cornwall Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:36:24 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-9492 I've finished posting my thoughts on Harvey Cox's book -- invite everyone to stop by and peruse -- and offer thoughts. http://pastorbobcornwall.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-faith-recapping-blogging.html I’ve finished posting my thoughts on Harvey Cox’s book — invite everyone to stop by and peruse — and offer thoughts.

http://pastorbobcornwall.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-faith-recapping-blogging.html

]]> By: Black Coffee Reflections » What I’ve Been Doing - 11.9.09 » There are some who call me Tim… http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-9455 Black Coffee Reflections » What I’ve Been Doing - 11.9.09 » There are some who call me Tim… Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:28:02 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-9455 [...] Christianity podcast with Harvey Cox and Phillip Clayton.  I need to listen to it again but what I heard I really liked.  Unfortunately I was listening at [...] [...] Christianity podcast with Harvey Cox and Phillip Clayton.  I need to listen to it again but what I heard I really liked.  Unfortunately I was listening at [...]

]]> By: Philip Clayton and Harvey Cox On Tour- Blogosphere Edition | Oregon Mountaineer http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8995 Philip Clayton and Harvey Cox On Tour- Blogosphere Edition | Oregon Mountaineer Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:09:26 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8995 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: Stewart 5 » Blog Archive » the future of Christianity/blog tour http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8452 Stewart 5 » Blog Archive » the future of Christianity/blog tour Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:57:21 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8452 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: The Future of Christianity: A Theo-Blog Tour - StephenBarkley.com http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8426 The Future of Christianity: A Theo-Blog Tour - StephenBarkley.com Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:12:18 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8426 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: The Edge of the Inside http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8391 The Edge of the Inside Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:04:43 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8391 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: Philip Clayon and Harvey Cox blog tour! at (Ir)religiosity http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8364 Philip Clayon and Harvey Cox blog tour! at (Ir)religiosity Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:51:27 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8364 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each [...]

]]> By: The Future of Faith « Creation Project http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8340 The Future of Faith « Creation Project Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:20:12 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8340 [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...] [...] Future of Faith. Both are worth checking out at one of the many tour stops. If you can’t wait you can listen to them interview each other. Enjoy the [...]

]]> By: Philip Clayton & Harvey Cox on Tour – Blogger Style | Homebrewed Christianity http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8324 Philip Clayton & Harvey Cox on Tour – Blogger Style | Homebrewed Christianity Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:19:13 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8324 [...] Tour – Blogger StyleThe Church as More than Necessary: Some Culminating Thoughts on SecularityHarvey Cox and Philip Clayton on Faith and Theology for the Future Church: Homebrewed Christianity 6...Get a Patriot Jesus Painting for Your Home or OfficeThus sayeth the Moore, “Capitalism is [...] [...] Tour – Blogger StyleThe Church as More than Necessary: Some Culminating Thoughts on SecularityHarvey Cox and Philip Clayton on Faith and Theology for the Future Church: Homebrewed Christianity 6…Get a Patriot Jesus Painting for Your Home or OfficeThus sayeth the Moore, “Capitalism is [...]

]]> By: Tripp Hudgins http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8297 Tripp Hudgins Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:54:29 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8297 @Fuller (How often do you encounter other Tripp's? I don't very often!) - That would be a great question to ask, I think. I did hear Philip speak about it, of course, in the podcast, and I think it could use a little more attention. The landscape is very familiar to "us liberals". I do perceive that these guys are after something else other than straight-up liberalism (which is as enlightenment driven as fundamentalism), but I just need to hear more. @Fuller (How often do you encounter other Tripp’s? I don’t very often!) – That would be a great question to ask, I think. I did hear Philip speak about it, of course, in the podcast, and I think it could use a little more attention. The landscape is very familiar to “us liberals”. I do perceive that these guys are after something else other than straight-up liberalism (which is as enlightenment driven as fundamentalism), but I just need to hear more.

]]> By: Tripp Fuller http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8296 Tripp Fuller Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:35:06 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8296 @ the other Tripp. I think the question is a good one. Philip is more explicit in his criticism of American liberalism, but I read Harvey's book after meeting him and that influenced how I heard it. In person and conversation he comes across quite differently than the average liberal. BOTH of them have criticisms to American liberalism and different ones. Maybe I should ask them both when we do the video interviews to spell them out or ask, 'how is this not a revival of american liberalism?' @ the other Tripp. I think the question is a good one. Philip is more explicit in his criticism of American liberalism, but I read Harvey’s book after meeting him and that influenced how I heard it. In person and conversation he comes across quite differently than the average liberal. BOTH of them have criticisms to American liberalism and different ones. Maybe I should ask them both when we do the video interviews to spell them out or ask, ‘how is this not a revival of american liberalism?’

]]> By: Tripp Fuller http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8295 Tripp Fuller Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:28:48 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8295 @ Theresa. Phil was a pentecostal and can get caught at a Friends meeting so I imagine he would know personally what you were describing. I personally have no idea what I would be doing as a minister or even a Christian if I didn't have some dynamic experiences of the Spirit. Of course myself (philip and other process-relational types) believe the world to be drenched in the Spirit. That isn't true for all 'progressives.' @ Theresa. Phil was a pentecostal and can get caught at a Friends meeting so I imagine he would know personally what you were describing. I personally have no idea what I would be doing as a minister or even a Christian if I didn’t have some dynamic experiences of the Spirit. Of course myself (philip and other process-relational types) believe the world to be drenched in the Spirit. That isn’t true for all ‘progressives.’

]]> By: Tripp Hudgins http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8294 Tripp Hudgins Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:10:39 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8294 Thanks for this. I have been reading through Harvey's book. Good stuff. And yet I still find myself frustrated. Can it be that there are some American subcultures (I am one that holds that most of our true subcultures are economic and not truly ethnic) that will eschew this kind of Revolution? Holding to traditional creeds or the baby-with-the-bathwater liberalist approach both deny this Revolution entirely. Both might even claim that this is simply a rebirth of traditional American Protestant liberalism. How do you all respond to that question? And, again, thank you for the thoughtful podcast. Thanks for this. I have been reading through Harvey’s book. Good stuff. And yet I still find myself frustrated. Can it be that there are some American subcultures (I am one that holds that most of our true subcultures are economic and not truly ethnic) that will eschew this kind of Revolution? Holding to traditional creeds or the baby-with-the-bathwater liberalist approach both deny this Revolution entirely. Both might even claim that this is simply a rebirth of traditional American Protestant liberalism. How do you all respond to that question?

And, again, thank you for the thoughtful podcast.

]]> By: Theresa Seeber http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8291 Theresa Seeber Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:34:04 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8291 I remember both of these guys from Transforming Theology earlier this year. This was a fun one, thank you. I wondered, as Phil is talking about not keeping his spirituality in the closet so to speak, what he thinks about my statements that night as I encouraged the people there not to forget the pursuit of the Holy Spirit, and the pursuit of personal encounter with God. A lot of people laughed me off afterwords - I know because my husband was among them and when he said "that was my wife" they kinda disbanded. LOL :-) I remember both of these guys from Transforming Theology earlier this year. This was a fun one, thank you. I wondered, as Phil is talking about not keeping his spirituality in the closet so to speak, what he thinks about my statements that night as I encouraged the people there not to forget the pursuit of the Holy Spirit, and the pursuit of personal encounter with God. A lot of people laughed me off afterwords – I know because my husband was among them and when he said “that was my wife” they kinda disbanded. LOL :-)

]]> By: deacon burrley http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8120 deacon burrley Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:15:15 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8120 Wow is right Tripp. This was great. Ordered both books. This doesn't count as you interviewing Clayton. Still waiting for that one. Wow is right Tripp. This was great. Ordered both books.

This doesn’t count as you interviewing Clayton. Still waiting for that one.

]]> By: Jo Ann W. Goodson http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8116 Jo Ann W. Goodson Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:13:38 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8116 This podcast was the best conversation that I have ever heard on faith and belief. Some of the themes/paraphrases of quotes that meant a great deal to me are the following: We are in a new revolution (speaking about the Emergent movement); Emergent is a fresh breath of the Spirit; faith remains constant but beliefs can come and go; belief is the thread that runs throw my life of faith,;belief is where you place your heart. They both agree that their faith in Jesus came first and then their beliefs. They both said that through all their trials, experiences, doubts and questions, their faith in Jesus remained even when they had times where they wanted to give up, they believed in Jesus. Both encourage our knowing and the writing down of what we believe today. It may change tomorrow, but continue to know what it is you believe. Changing beliefs does not mean that we throw anything away. We only add to the beliefs we already have though they may be changed now. When asked about the future both think there is HOPE. Not optimism, but genuine hope. They both believe that the Emergent movement, etc. is of God as it comes where all over the glove and to many people of various religions, education, beliefs, etc. On this I agree and with all of the statements above. They both agree that our experiences are vital and that we should all tell our stories (testimonies). Harvey Cox says the mystical should remain in our lives. The mystical and the spiritual should increase in us as individuals and congregations. We are in a new revolution. Thank you Tripp and Chad and convey my appreciation and love for both them and their work. Love Harvey Cox books and look forward to purchasing both their new books. This podcast was the best conversation that I have ever heard on faith and belief. Some of the themes/paraphrases of quotes that meant a great deal to me are the following: We are in a new revolution (speaking about the Emergent movement); Emergent is a fresh breath of the Spirit; faith remains constant but beliefs can come and go; belief is the thread that runs throw my life of faith,;belief is where you place your heart. They both agree that their faith in Jesus came first and then their beliefs. They both said that through all their trials, experiences, doubts and questions, their faith in Jesus remained even when they had times where they wanted to give up, they believed in Jesus. Both encourage our knowing and the writing down of what we believe today. It may change tomorrow, but continue to know what it is you believe. Changing beliefs does not mean that we throw anything away. We only add to the beliefs we already have though they may be changed now. When asked about the future both think there is HOPE. Not optimism, but genuine hope. They both believe that the Emergent movement, etc. is of God as it comes where all over the glove and to many people of various religions, education, beliefs, etc. On this I agree and with all of the statements above. They both agree that our experiences are vital and that we should all tell our stories (testimonies). Harvey Cox says the mystical should remain in our lives. The mystical and the spiritual should increase in us as individuals and congregations. We are in a new revolution. Thank you Tripp and Chad and convey my appreciation and love for both them and their work. Love Harvey Cox books and look forward to purchasing both their new books.

]]> By: Tripp Fuller http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8115 Tripp Fuller Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:11:13 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8115 @ Jeremy. Moltmann was great. I got to do one of the public interviews, chat for a while at the hotel about my dissertation and then have dinner with him where we heard sweet 'when i was in grad school with the Pope' stories. Here's my handheld video of the Molty interview. It will be professionally posted at Emergent Village by their media team soon. http://trippfuller.com/Downloads/molty.mov @ Jeremy. Moltmann was great. I got to do one of the public interviews, chat for a while at the hotel about my dissertation and then have dinner with him where we heard sweet ‘when i was in grad school with the Pope’ stories.

Here’s my handheld video of the Molty interview. It will be professionally posted at Emergent Village by their media team soon. http://trippfuller.com/Downloads/molty.mov

]]> By: Jeremy http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2009/10/08/harvey-cox-and-philip-clayton-on-faith-and-theology-for-the-future-church-homebrewed-christianity-64/comment-page-1/#comment-8107 Jeremy Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:19:20 +0000 http://homebrewedchristianity.com/?p=2127#comment-8107 Did you end up snagging an interview w/ Moltmann? Did you end up snagging an interview w/ Moltmann?

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