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Defining the Secular: A Public Voice for the Church in a Post-Christian Century

August 16, 2009 by Deacon Hall 12 Comments
I was making an afternoon run through Facebook when I noticed that one of our fearless leaders, Mr. Fuller, posted a quite salient comment by Rep. Rangel on the state of religious organizations and health care (the responses to which I would encourage you to read as they’re quite interesting and pertinent to this piece).  Rangel said, ‘I am surprised our churches, synagogues, and mosques are not speaking for our poor and working without Rangel wants you, religionhealthcare.’ I was very glad Tripp posted this comment because it’s what I had planned on blogging about this week: namely, why it is so damned difficult for religious organizations to speak up on these matters.  I don’t personally believe that it’s complacency (not completely), nor is it a lack of desire to do so…as some of Tripp’s commentators stated, the UCC is trying to say something.  Rather, I think part of the answer is found in the changing social landscape, including the demise of denominationalism and its old spot in the public arena.  Since I have already blogged about some possible causes of this demise both in “A Two Part Digression of Secularization and the Emergent Church” parts one and two, I want now to talk about why the American church, mainline or emergent (Evangelicalism may present its own set of problems) has a difficult time in the public expression of faith and what, at a general level (I have no specific prescriptions) might be done about this fact.

reinThe demise of the functionalist understanding of religiosity has undermined the notion ofRickWarren state churches, which are mostly cultural museums for the culture at large in the states who still have them (France and England, for instance); and it has also undermined the notion of the American denominations, all which used to have some sort of preferenced say on moral…not legal…issues in the U.S. (again, I wrote about this in the previous blog).  This latter point is especially pertinent for us.  As I already talked about, persons such as Reinhold Niebuhr…who was once a pastor in Detroit, president of Union Theological Seminary, and in many ways a national Christian theologian and commentator…had moral authority within the United States really up through the 60s; and these “public theologians” had a say not merely within a specific church demographic, such as a Rick Warren does, but in the society as a whole…as Arthur Schlesinger Jr. points out in this article.

What I have said this demise of functionalism (and thus denominationalism) has caused is a sense that the church is no longer necessary to the social order.  Whether the churched readers like this statement or not, the social order as it stands no longer recognizes the church as having a genuine role in the moral governance of the country.  And because the general social order lacks this recognition, there is, metaphorically speaking, no room for theharp01 church to speak up as a church in the contemporary debates. In many parts of this country (certainly not all), to speak as a church, as a Christian, means nothing whatsoever; it’s about the equivalent of standing up at a town hall meeting and saying, just prior to speaking one’s mind on the issue at hand, that “I prefer to wear only one sock to bed at night.”  While this person might find their single-sockedness an important point of identification thought ought to buy them public respect, no one else cares.  In the same way, no matter how dear the church holds its own identity, it no longer holds any moral authority in the public eye.

I need to briefly take a step back here in order to, perhaps, more clearly define just what this social order is that I’m talking about.  In the U.S. and in other countries that have sought with varying degrees of success to promote civil rights, there exists, in many ways, no direct “common good.” In other words, there is no direct economic, political, or moral goal that the government seeks except the civil liberties of the people.  This statement is no doubt an ideal statement.  Of course the government gets involved in issues beyond the protection of civil liberties and often oversteps the bounds it set for itself, but usually only justifiably for the sake of the preservation of the conditions that allow its population to flourish as free individuals, that is, as individuals with civil liberties.  So there are city, state, and federal highways that allow us to visit one another and provide an economic infrastructure for us to create materials through which we live; there is a military to protect our way of living; and there ought (in my not so humble opinion) to be health care to protect our common health.  What the government does and does not get involved in is decided, however, not by the governing bodies and politicians themselves (another ideal statement), but by the people (or lobbying groups) whom they represent.  This means that the direction of the country’s governance is supposedly defined by the people, legislated by the politicians, and promulgated by the courts.

The U.S. democracy is supposed to be one for, by, and of the people.  Being “of” the people and what that means is important.  What it means is that there is a general sphere of civil dialogue (and I mean “civil” legally, not morally, as recent town hall protestors have shown) in the country.  There is a public debate taking place through newspapers, town hall meetings, and now the internet through which a series of public opinions are formed and developed , helping to set the trajectory of our legislative priorities as a country. This dialogue is, in many ways, a negotiating table at which many corporations, think tanks, unions, etc. have a say (it’s something like the U.N.’s Security Council, only more dysfunctional).  These various groups hammer out their agreements and disagreements, trying to sway public opinion to their side, and thus political actors to their side.

904B91AB-6255-4E6A-AB30-AFC46924FB0CIt is in this context that I say the moral authority of the church is gone. In other words, I am saying that our seat at the negotiating table has been taken away by the public at large, and that we’re now left in the waiting room.  And this is the precise reason we not only don’t, but really can’t, say anything about contemporary debates as a church and be taken seriously by our secular contemporaries.  So it is good that the UCC stands for single-payer health care, and (in my opinion) it should; but no one in the populace beyond the church cares.  I should also add as a bit of an aside for now that we may not like this status, but we ought not feel too terrible about it either.  Not only might it be a good thing at the end of the day, but also we’re not the only “organization” that has suffered this loss of prestige.  Without trying to figure out the previous century’s political players, what I can say is that economic pseudo-prophets (also known as economists) and “scientists” (a term that unfortunately has very little definite meaning anymore) have begun to hog most of the seats at the moral and legal negotiating table, making for one of the many issues that I will soon try to deal with in future blog posts.

So what can the church do?  I will not try to say what the mission of the church is other than to say that the church is, religiously speaking, Christ’s breath in the Holy Spirit into this world.  So, whatever we believe that means, we must first acknowledge that we gain our value-systems from precisely this point.  Our faith very much defines who we are, the diversity of questions and concerns that we have, and the various ways our respective churches see them through and act on them.  We ought to continue to let this sense of divine breath drive our value-systems while simultaneously acknowledging that most of the rest of the social order thinks we’re pointless, at least for now. And, in light of the loss of our place of moral preeminence, we might think of reengaging the world on two points.

For one,  like Chevy and Chrysler, we need to rebrand. We need to show (to use somewhat crass terms) that the product we purport to give is as good if not better than any competitor’s.  Thus, in the long term, we ought to stand as the church as a loving example of Christ, whatever that might be interpreted to mean; we ought to stand  in such a way that we might at least buy back a place of prophetic significance with some of the negotiators at the negotiating table.  Whether we will ever again have a seat at the table itself may neither be possible nor desired.  But that’s a question for a different day.

live_long_and_prosperSecondly, and in the short term (which I’m more interested in right now) we ought to allow our value structures to inform our beliefs, but translate those beliefs into the most rationally and rhetorically compelling arguments that we can. We ought to try to influence public opinion in its own terminology while finding the core of our values in the breath of Christ.  Thus by “rationally and rhetorically compelling,” I think we must acknowledge that the language of the church does not hold; rather, the values issuing forth from the faith must be argued for in such a way that the public at large might see them as good.  I will try to provide some examples in the blogs to come as to how we might do this, precisely through the socio-economic and political terms generated in the modern secularizing movements.  In other words, for all the hurt secularization might be perceived to have cause the church, I will show why it might be a good thing and how certain trends in it might be used by the church to the social-order’s advantage, even on issues such as the contemporary health care debate.

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Steve Long

The Church is a living organism from Heaven. It is not needed as a political piece of the social order but followers of Jesus are useful in the transformation of the social order if they obey the Lord. When hearts are changed and brought into harmony with the heart of God the social order changes. Jesus resisted the temptation of Satan to have the nations of the world on Satan's terms in the second temptation. The idea of bowing down to Satan in that temptation had within it the agreement that Satans methods were the right way to rule the nations. Jesus declined to be politically active. Proof of this is found in His encounter with Pilate at the end of His ministry. Pilate asked Him if He was a King. Jesus carefully explained to him that His Kingdom is not of this world because if it was His followers would fight to rescue him. In the war between us and God, God died on the cross. That is a peculiar way to win a war and it is not typical of any methodology that politics or nations use to prevail. We need to be willing to die for heaven's cause but not to employ any of Satan's methods to bring about the peace that passes understanding. Our methods are Love, Forgiveness, Truth, Servanthood, Peacemaking etc. All of these methods become the 'weapons' of heaven wielded against an unbeleiving world couched in the Good News of a the Way to the Father in Jesus, a truth to beleive in Jesus and an imortal life to begin living while we are still in our mortal bodies. I see nothing in the prior commentary that has hope in it. If there is ever to be economic hope it must come because christians embrace their Holy calling and live as children of Light in this dark world. The government didn't feed 5000 men plus women and children with five loaves and two fishes. God did. Church folks are hip deep in social action causes that will improve the world and they are cheating on their spouses or their taxes. People who claim to follow Jesus and who stand at the center of the mass of this social action, use pottie mouth and slurs as though this is ok for the shock value. The get caught in moral and financial shenanigans. Why does Jesus' precious name have to be soiled by our misguided and egoistic political action. Help your neighbor with his mortgage. Mow a widow's lawn for free every so often. Bring an elderly or handicapped person to church. Those things can never be undone but a passed law can be undone. Live as Jesus lived. Do what Jesus did. He could care less which tyrant was on the throne in Rome but He did have compassion for others and He acted on it thereby showing those with Him then and us today that compassion is not a political movement. It is a relational one on one thing. He could'nt give a fig about the political figures of His day but he saved His choice words for the professors and the seminary students from the Temple school. Let us clean up our own lives and the church that is growing more irrelevant each day by bringing it back to lifegiving relevance. Let us really pray to the Father, daily, without ceasing for help and deliverance from our hard hearts and afflictions (and quit faking others out that we talk to God). Then maybe He will be enclined to help us because we are getting behind His mission instead of asking Him to get behind ours. There is one thing that Jesus said He would ALWAYS help us out with and that is THE mission. Go into all of the world and PREACH THE GOSPEL, BAPTIZING people IN MY (JESUS') NAME, TEACHING THEM to observe all that I have commanded and..........LO, I AM WITH YOU UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE!

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deacon burrley

i meant we are sharing conservative evangelical free market loving TBN christianity.

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Deacon Hall

Would you mind expanding a bit more, Deacon Burrley?

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deacon burrley

Have you thought about how our effective exporting of bad christianity around the world changes the secular thesis? I was thinking of the book god is back.

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Deacon Hall

Good Question, Tripp. I think I've tried to outline a couple ways, both in terms of having a "lived faith" and being able to argue for Christian values in a non (not anti) Christian manner. But this latter is especially important right now as we face a slew of problems in our country. The best way that I can think of is to find ways that we can use secularizing forces to our advantage, in the current climate, against what might be called "economic reductionists," i.e. the pseudo-prophets I was talking about. I will give some example of how this might be done in my next blog. But, I would also encourage Christians to learn the hell out of, and take seriously, both the social and natural sciences (including economics). These are our contemporary public language, and if you can make arguments in their own terminology, the arguments hold (public) sway. In this sense, our politicians do tend to listen to this type of argument, whether the arguments are good or bad. As Charles Taylor presciently says in 1991, "Economists dazzle legislators and bureaucrats with their sophisticated mathematics, even when this is serving to package crude policy with potentially disastrous results." But really, there's no one-fit answer. Not everyone cares about these disciplines; post-structurlalists, for both better and worse, tend to define themselves as independent of these disciplines. I guess what I'm getting at, then, is that we need to make arguments for "refined?" rather than "crude public policy" in a language that the public, rather, non-church, can understand. We need not even be correct or have absolute victory (compromise is usually essential to all political debate) For this, there is no one language: we will each have to develop our personal intellectual, interests in light of the faith that feeds our values, and learn to speak from this faith in our second languages of public discourse.

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Tripp Fuller

@ Hall "religion doesn’t have the same a priori, undisputed sway that it used to in the States" True. That I think is the point. Religion doesn't and it will continue to have less. Assuming that, how then do we engage the public square is the question.

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Deacon Hall

Thanks for the comments, Deacon Raimer-Goodman. I think you’ve pointed out some good flaws in the argument as it stands. Let me begin with the one I’ll not try to defend in the least, namely, that this is a Post-Christian century. The title is mostly a quip aimed at our new friends at the Christian Century, letting them know (as Tripp and Chad explain in their podcast) we appreciate their endorsement. On that point, I concede. I also concede on the point of the esteemed Rep. Rangel and what he meant. But what he meant matters little, except that what he meant—that religious communities should speak up—will have little effect for much of the country (not all) on the current Health Care debate. To the other points, I have to say that there is a huge question as to whether or not the U.S is growing in religious fervor. Schlessinger does indeed make that claim (by mere assertion, I might add); but he also makes it as a stark secularist who might simply be mildly annoyed at the growth of certain public voices in the Evangelical and very conservative church. Indeed, what he’s saying is that because these are the only Christian voices speaking up, voices that only a “moral minority” (booyah) care about, that no one thinks much at all of Christianity anymore. Really, though, and regardless of Schlessinger’s views, I only use that article to point out just how important theologians used to be in society at large. The content of the article is a sidenote for my purposes. As I tried to assert (and obviously failed to do), this phenomenon of secularization—of the Church losing a public voice—is not necessarily universal in the United States. But, I would challenge you to move to either the West Coast or Northeast, which are, for better or worse (often for worse), the current epicenters of developing “culture” in the U.S.; do this and stand up in a college classroom, town hall, or other such public even, and say that you’re a Christian. You’ll simply get a glare that says “neat…please don’t preach to me.” In fact, it will probably detract from the point you want to make unless you want to spend your three minutes qualifying that you believe in gay-rights, don’t think people go to hell, and have no desire to preach to anyone. All of which I could pretty easily affirm, don’t want to waste my time saying in front of my secular peers. I think David Martin, in his book “On Secularization,” does a reasonably good job of documenting the current demise of religion in the States, even if he overstates the case. According to Martin, religion is essentially being relegated to more and more isolated communities, most of whom have little contact with the “epicenters of culture.” Or, look again at this article, (which is unfortunately sad and fitting) this study, or again, Christian Smith’s book “The Secular Revolution.” Needless to say, the data is not conclusive at this point, but I think it is edging to my side, at least for now. In this same manner, the States are certainly not Europe, but we show some similar trends. The greatest difference would be that we still ardently fight for the free expression of religiosity as a civil right, where as Europe tends not to think anymore of religiosity as a positive expression at all, if not outrightly denies persons religious rights. At any rate, the greatest hope that we have in staving off the possibility of a real Post-Christian society is found in the fact that the influx of immigrants into the States, which holds our religious numbers up, will relegate whites and our ever-increasing Europeanized model of secularity to the minority by 2042. But this point is, contradictory to my unfortunate title, somewhat beside the main point. I don’t need to make the claim that religiosity is dying, (though hyperbole is helpful for gaining an audience and getting responses); I only need to claim that religion doesn’t have the same a priori, undisputed sway that it used to in the States, and that this is in part because of secularizing forces. That is, if the church, which could still be a viable public player in current debates, wants to have a sway, it will need to quit assuming that anyone cares about their religious as opposed what might be called secular and public reasons for their hopes for the country. The religious reasoning should not die; that would be to separate ourselves from the fount of our values in Christ. But neither should it be the only vocabulary we can speak in this current world. Finally, with regard to the point that I make my argument on mere assertion, I would claim, rather, that the point is mere hypothesis. The first has no evidence whatsoever, the second bases its point on limited evidence, promising to gather more and revise positions along the way. The latter is where I stand. At that, let me say that I’ve just spent more time working through what I believe is an exhilarating conversation than I have working on my dissertation. Damn you public forums and intelligent commentors.

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Tripp Fuller

This is a sweet post Eric and the conversation is getting better. Of course if you are talking to two people as cool as Knight and Goodman it can't be bad. I agree with Steve about the issue of rebranding. Of course you could say we could be re-branded like cattle with signs of discipleship. There are two issues with whatever is involved in rebranding. First, the articulation of an intellectually viable faith. There are a number of real issues that keep people from even listening to the church and if the dominant voice of the church in the public square was all there is they would rightly reject the church as intellectually shallow, out dated, and not viable. The second issue, which I think Steve and Eric are both getting at, is a vibrant faith. We can be intellectually viable or not, but if the faith isn't vibrant in the living, sending, and transformation of its people no one should or will care.

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Deacon Raimer-Goodman

I think this posting is helpful in aiming at definitions for some terms (democratic participation, civil discourse, moral authority, etc.), but I think it also obfuscates some issues. For starters, the quote by Rep. Rangel was about the absence of voices of faith from the current debate on health care reform, not their irrelevance. Rather than being an indication of the post-Christian nature of the US, I read it as an indictment of America's religious institutions - in fact, in the current debate, the clearest and loudest religious voices seem to scream from the right. Sojourner's, probably the most effective political organizer of religious progressives, is fortunately coming around to activate its base in support of compassionate and sensible reform. The transition you make from Rangel's observation of the absence of religious voices to the irrelevance of religious voices is supported almost entirely by mere assertion and Schlesinger's article on Niebuhr. You also invoke the demise of denominationalism, which you associate with functionalism, and perhaps there is a correlation - collected voices are louder, and therefore serve a greater social function. Schlesinger's article begins by citing reasons why one should think America is becoming more religious, whereas your discussion suggests it is about America becoming less religious. Schlesinger continues through how Niebuhr's theological and ethical perspectives informed his role as respected public theologian before bemoaning that there do not seem to be any public leaders as useful to the common good as Niebuhr today. Again, it is an indictment against the intelligentsia of the church rather than an indication of the church's diminished role in public opinion. The relationship between the demise of denominations and the public voice of the church is interesting, but I'm not sure this posting really captures the nature of this relationship. I think that part of the issue is that America's religious people are now communicate in public online forums that are not as news-worthy as former sources of public discourse - in personal gatherings. It seems that there is a close correlation between the rise of electronic media and the demise of older modern institutions - information exchange erodes the older barriers that once served to keep that information bound by visible, physically delineated institutions. You touch on this in part when you mentioned the packaging of the message, but your assumption is that the packaging needs to be towards a post-Christian context. Your assertion that America is post-Christian does not resonate with my experience of the few places I have lived and known in the states - NC, GA, and TX. The fact that there was such great concern over Obama being Muslim, and that people knew that rumor would be detrimental to his candidacy, suggests that America is still very much driven by "Christian" concerns. I think the issue is to identify what "Christian concerns" really are - and to identify as such the idolatrous lust of social and political power on both sides of the political spectrum, but especially the right. Part of the reason I don't think Pete Rollins is the best example of Christianity for most of us, though his stuff is really interesting and resonates with me, is because he really is from a post-Christian society and ours is not. We mustn't hasten it to become so either, in my opinion. If it becomes post-Christian, it should be because Christians once again find the prophetic voice of Christ speaking through the Spirit in their midst, in the public arena, and the public decides it doesn't really want to be Christian, not because we assume that we're a lot like the UK and Europe. We aren't, at least not by any clear metrics of "religiosity."

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Deacon Hall

Great points, Steve. All are essential to the questions the Church (through the churches, as you aptly point out) are dealing with in the U.S., especially right now. Let me begin with your last point, which is probably one of the most important . I think that you're right in acknowledging that interests between more conservative and more liberal members of the church overlap. The question is always one of degree. We can both agree that we want to see the kingdom of God on earth, but often disagree on what that would look like. Sometimes there is a lot of overlap in the content of this “what?,” as say between Saddleback and the Episcopal Church on social justice issues—though certainly not on the gay issue. Sometimes there’s none. However, even if there is a large degree of overlap in terms of content, there can still be different opinion concerning the means by which to attain those very similar ends. Such is what it sounds like is the difference possibly between you and your friend, but certainly between me and your friend. Let me address, then, the first point. I think, for the most part, your friend is fairly correct in his interpretation of the Constitution. But the question for me is always a question of the distinction between promotion and provision. I would personally argue that, if the government provides services such as roads, police, military (as you mentioned), financial-regulatory, etc., it is justified in providing some sort of health care as well. Health care is simply an essential condition that allows us to provide for ourselves the health that allows us to work and live. In other words, just as roads are the conduits that we need and use to drive our cars to get to work, health care is the conduit for us to attain health to be able to work (no health care provider can force us to be healthy). So, I, as one who is relatively sympathetic to the basic argument your friend makes, can justify my position, I believe, on his same grounds. There is, though, always a justifiable fear over the notion of “big government”—I am skeptical enough of our politicians’ motives to think they are up to the worst, and the conservative columnist Ross Douthat seems to demolish Gail Collins in their NY Times debate on this issue. But I tend to think that a government, big or small, can still work for, by, and of the people, that is, democratically, so long as the people themselves are very aware of their always fragile situation. Finally, regarding the point on branding, I think that you’re absolutely correct, which means I stand absolutely correct! Our problems are more than merely an image issue; They’re issues of living faith. And, to return the point to your friend’s thoughts on the role of the church, I certainly think part of this living-faith would include providing, perhaps, certain services (as your friend would argue, health care); part of this, however, would be in trying to shape the general public opinion in such a way that it enacts policies that are more consistent with the hope of the kingdom of God. A controversial point in many ways, but important nonetheless. Thanks again for the great points, and I look forward to hearing from you again!

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Steve K.

Great post, Deacon! One of my ardent conservative evangelical/Republican friends has argued with me against health care reform on the basis that the Church (capital C, in the form of churches, little c) is the institution that should really be offering care for the poor and the sick and the needy, not government. He interprets the U.S. Constitution literally, so he believes the role of government is simply to "*promote* the general welfare" of the American people, not to "provide" it. (The Constitution does however tell us that government exists to "*provide* for the common defense," thus justifying the trillions spent on the industrial military complex every year.) So I guess a pushback/clarification perhaps on your point #1: I think "rebranding" is essentially a communication term. It has to do with message, rather than action. I think what you're really talking about is shutting up and getting to work. If we want the Church to have a voice in this national conversation, we need to get busy and start doing the things, living out the things, we say we believe in. I think this is the challenge for progressive Christians. We can talk all we want, but how are we living? Because at the end of the day, I want the same thing my conservative brother wants: a real, living vibrant Church that is a sign and foretaste of God's coming kingdom. Thanks again for this thought-provoking post. I hope others will read it and engage it.

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